The Base of the Base is NOT sitting on our hands: We are in the streets working to elect Democrats

by: debcoop

Wed Sep 29, 2010 at 15:00


All the various kinds of professional leftist I know, are not sitting on their hands. No sirree.  They are standing on their feet handing out campaign lit for Democratic candidates. They are on phones trying to get other Democrats and Democratic leaning independents to vote for Democratic candidates.  They are toiling away at their computers sending out Dear Neighbor letters and emails to get those very same folks to come out on November 2nd to vote for Democrats.  They are even, within their means, at fundraisers for Democrats.

THEY ARE OUT THERE DOING PRODUCTIVE ELECTORAL WORK. Why? One because they are always there, but this year they know the right is just populated by nuts who think the 19th century is too progressive. Because they are devoted to the issues that represent the Democratic party.  Because they believe those principles can be used to animate people enough to go to the polls. Though, sadly at this point in time, it must only be to preserve what has already been accomplished.  Some of it great like Social Security, yes, and even the not nearly good enough the health care bill. We know that these accomplishments may not be sturdy enough to survive the right wing Sherman's March to the sea. Without electing Democrats and keeping Democrats in control of Congress, they could well be gone with the wind.
 

debcoop :: The Base of the Base is NOT sitting on our hands: We are in the streets working to elect Democrats
What the left has complained about as Susie Madrak has said to the president's advisor, David Axelrad

""No, I said help us help you. Don't make our jobs so much harder with these comments."

Even if not enough has been done, even though when it comes to issues like war and the national security state it's harder than it should be to discern differences, we do recognize that the choice is between Attila and the Huns surrounding Rome and Rome's fearful defenders. Despite all that, we want to help you succeed.  We want to help you win in November.  We want to win in November.  But we need you to help us help you.  So please more speeches like yesterday's in Wisconsin with Senator Feingold.

It's not about the base of the base, it's about all the other voters whose lives are not looking up.

In terms of policy, from the beginning of this administration,  the left has been stiff armed and held at bay.  Personality and personnel may be a small part of it , but the real rub is policy.  The "professional left" wanted  policies that,  once turned into legislation or executive actions, would have  helped everyday, ordinary Americans. The professional left folks think the way to increase power  was to have made the test " Did we make your life better" not just "Did we preserve the banking system and bankers' profits."  The professional  left thinks policies aimed at people who want to working stiffs has always been the  way to get ALL THOSE OTHER  DISHEARTENED AND DISGRUNTLED VOTERS TO CARE ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR US.

The sin of the left seems to be that it has correctly predicted the response of the country and to have repeatedly tried to change things so that this would not have happened. The left predicted that for everyday  ordinary Americans  what this administration has done, is JUST NOT ENOUGH. Good things indeed have been accomplished, but when you're swinging toward the other trapeze bars, 70% of the flight still means youu fall to the net. Not enough to get them a job. Not enough to give them hope or get them to pull the lever for Democrats.  And without a dramatic pre November action it is not enough to get those Americans, not bloggers, to vote for Democrats.

The sad outcome of the WH's blunted ambitions are to leave all the rest of the Democratic electorate sitting in their seats  - those who don't leaflet or phone during elections - it has left them unispired and unwilling to leave the house on election day.  It has made THEM feel left behind, ignored, and neglected.   It means the disheartened ones are staying home and the angry, disgruntled ones are voting for the right.

From the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09...

But this year may be different. Even though women are still more likely to vote Democratic, the poll

suggests that they may stay home this year, giving more of the decision-making to men by default.

So far in this election, women have not been nearly as attentive as men and have expressed less enthusiasm about voting, the poll found. Men are more likely than women to fall into the category of voters who say they are paying a lot of attention to the campaign right now. They are also more likely than women to say they are more enthusiastic about voting in this Congressional election than they remember being in past midterm elections.

The poll suggests that men are angrier than women, and that their anger may be more motivating than the sense of hopelessness expressed by women, particularly on economic issues.

 It's not personal.  It's political. Lecturing people doesn't get them to vote for you or your party.  As Bill Clinton said over and over, no one owes you a vote. You have to work for every vote. You have to make them want to vote for you. They need reasons to get out there.  And you and the Democratic party have lots of reasons. Just tell them what they are.


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Well, sort of (4.00 / 4)
The primary problem isn't that what Obama's done "is JUST NOT ENOUGH." In general, it's not a matter of quantity but of quality. Or, put another way, it's not that he's going to slowly, it's that his direction if wrong.

But yeah, you're right. The "professional left," for better or worse, are engaged, and there are signs that even non-activist voters are coming home, with the exception of young voters.

His real problem, of course, is with independents. They overwhelmingly oppose him. That's the big story of the election. Although Obama crafted his entire presidency around the goal of appealing to the middle, he lost the middle.  


Poll (4.00 / 1)
Do you have poll numbers or something to back up "he lost the middle"?  Just out of curiousity.

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Yeah I dont think this is accurate either. (4.00 / 1)
I am sure, without even a small doubt, that: a populist, on your side, break up the too big to fail banks, expand medicare to Americans as a public option, leave Afghanistan by August, leave Iraq by August, start building gfreen jobs and America's roads, rails, sewers and hospitals and windmills and he'd sweep the November elections.

I encourage it. I urge progresive dems to combine their messaging, combine their buysm combine their production and make a "End the Obstruction, make the Change" campaign arround the country, progressives would win handily and go into January with a mandate.

Thinking he lost the "independents" gets us nothing, it is ant-messaging and reduces the work we need doing to organize people around issues.

Thats where democratic strength lies.

Thats where we should be pushing.

Thanks Deb, great article!


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How are debcoop's experiences from campaignworking? (0.00 / 0)
From phone calls or footwork, he sure gets a lot of feedback from the people. Which voters are more angry about Obama? Those in the center/ the independents, or those on the left?

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I can't tell if they are progressives or not (4.00 / 2)
But they are rarely people who sees themselves as politically involved.  And they have a "throw the bums out out" attitude....which honestly I never find productive.  

One,  having been a Brooklyn Dodger fan, I am very much in favor of bums....Okay silly pun, couldn't resist.

But indiscirimate rejection is never helpful...That lack of vigilance just gives you a whole new set of bums.

And that's what we are facing here...the Tea Party is full of future bums.  They are the heart and soul of the Republican party.  The Tea Party is just the essential Id of the Republican party. They have ripped off the fake madk of remaining reasonableness of the Republican party.  That is who they are and always have been and it shoudl be clear to all.

And the Democratic party should exploit to run all over the country. And stop being afraid of their own shadow.


"Incrementalism isn't a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place"
Stoller


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Yup, indeed. 70% of GOP are TeaParty (0.00 / 0)
So, all the talk about a "third party" on the right wing is nonsense. The teabaggers are rethuglican, and are the "heart and soul" of the party. Even though not the brains.

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What kind of Republican? (0.00 / 0)
Its anecdotal, but the situation playing out in the MN Governor's race is telling. The GOPper nominee (Tom Emmer) rode the Tea Party backing to upset a number of "establishment" GOPpers and take the nomination. More than a few of the establishment GOPper bigwigs have publically questioned his "electability" because he is too conservative, i.e. blessed by the Tea Party.

The DFL candidate is the self-funded, former Senator, and all-around nice guy, Mark Dayton. He blew off the caucus and won the primary (we have both in MN). His opponents graciously back off and deserve credit for that, especially Margaret Anderson-Kelleher.

There is an alternative party candidate, too. The Independence Party is running Tom Horner, who is basically and old-school Republican that leans left on social issues.

As the race has evolved, Dayton has pulled ahead. Looking at the numbers in the poll suggests that as Emmer is losing GOP votes to Horner and Dayton has managed to energize the DFL base to increase likely votes from the left.

Looks like the Tea Party was strong enough to skew the nomination process within the party, but their message is turning off potential voters in the general population.

In this case, the MN GOP appears to be splitting along the Tea Party/Alternative Party divide. How this translates into states that have less liberal voting laws and ballot requirements is not precisely clear, but I like to hear stories about establishment GOPpers contemplating write-in or independent runs for thei seats they lost to Tea Party candidates.

Hopefully, this nascent anti-Tea Party feeling will grow and persist - perhaps enough to upset the Tea Party darling Michele Bachmann and help put her DFL opponent Tarryl Clark. MN-6 is a gerrymandered GOPper "safe" district, so its up hill, and Bachmann has knows how to keep her mouth shut when the chips are down.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Obama Job Approval (4.00 / 1)
Gallup Nov 23-29, 2009 vs Sept 20-26 2010

Democrat 82%-77%
Independent 44%-39%
Liberal 77%-74%
Moderate 59%-50%
Liberal Democrats 88%-85%
Moderate Democrats 80%-73%
Conservative Democrats 71%-62%
Pure Independents 40%-34%
Liberal/Moderate Republicans 32%-22%

I'm not sure these numbers suggest that Obama "lost the middle", but I think it's safe to say that Obama has lost his appeal more with the middle than with the left.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


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Well, actually, more on the right wing (-9%) than on the left. (0.00 / 0)
Confusing numbers. Actually, conservative Dems should like his policies best, he delivered to them time and again. Which makes me wonder: Do people even pay attention to what's going on in politics? Obviously, not.

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Indeed. 100 bills serving big money and center/right interests... (4.00 / 6)
...are not as good as ammunition for a Dem campaign as 10 bill that bring real improvements for average people. And the WH is making a big mistake in simply counting their "achievements" and patting themselves on the shoulder. They didn't deliver where it counts, that is the point! The voters have to feel the difference. How about that ole slogan "are you better off than you were four years before?" Obama, as a Reagan fan, should know the question, but obviously he is confused about the answer.

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Yeah, there you go again. Blame the Huns! (4.00 / 1)
Always the same. What if historians find out in a few years that Attila was really a nice guy on a vacation journey, and that the whole siege of Rome was just a big misunderstanding? Can't you simply get over this ole stuff?
:D

Humour is great, disapointment is a shame. (0.00 / 0)
Lets get back however to how we are going to move forward, as we knew would have to do, no matter who we supported in the past.

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Ok. Sure you're right. (0.00 / 0)
And I haven't been that much of an Attila fan anyway. He was horrible on family values!

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Seriously Gray. (0.00 / 0)
I hope you can comment more on plans, devices, steps and discussions of the next action, and the next and the long term. The "pile on" about how hopeless it all is - is getting old.

For example, if wanted act as if we had power as a movement, we should have taken some credit for forcing Obama to appoint Warren, we demanded it after all. And yet we spent the several days blabbing and making silly wrong points about what it meant (even though we had demanded it).  

We could have taken credit and demanded support for the Elected commander in chief's fight with the pentagon over how fast to get the f--- out of Afghanistan, rallying people to our side, defending democracy and ending war.

Both very strong positions, both pushing back against Versailles and the Washington insiders club, both positions we support.


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Don't blame me! (4.00 / 1)
I called REPEATEDLY for focussing more on the campaigns instead, especially on progressive candidates. I wrote repeatedly that discussions about replacing Obama should wait until after the elections. I brought up ideas what Obama could do to get the progressives back on his side. One Warren in exchange for Van Jones and Sherrod wasn't good enough, didn't even the score. And the way they did it, with that poorly communicated adviser job, was lousy. But they can still get ahead, by nominating popular replacements for Summers and Emanuell. I called for keeping up the pressure to achieve that.

So, you're barking up the wrong tree, HoP! I called for outcome centered discussions about strategies to increase progreessive power. Ain't my fault at all that one blogger here brought up the discussions about the 2012 primaries time and again and thus diverted the focus from the important issues!


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I am not blaming you. (0.00 / 0)
I am asking for as all to get back. I wouldn't ask if I didn't know you were one of the many willing to get back to making the changes needed, and to discussing the best ways to that.

Of course you did these things, thats why I ask sir.


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Sry, HoP. I'm just a bit tired recently.. (4.00 / 1)
..and my concentration is rather weak. Yeah, ok, I should focus more on the issues and not divert the discussions. To provide a good example. Well, I'll try...

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"Clinton said over and over, no one owes you a vote." (4.00 / 4)
Right. And it doesn't take a genius to understand this. So, why does an intelligent guy like Obama think it's ok to blame his own voters, when it should be obvious to him that this won't bring those votes back? That's not helpful as a campaign strategy. But it makes some sense if you're preparing an excuse for the failure in the elections. So, there may be something to Daou's and Hamsher's theory.  

The answer to your question: (4.00 / 1)
Question:

"So, why does an intelligent guy like Obama think it's ok to blame his own voters,..."

Answer:

Because he is not intelligent.


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OMG that is soo progresive! (0.00 / 1)
I can easily see the difference in your position from Karl's.

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Oh thanks travis. (0.00 / 0)
Thats nice. I guess I should say excuse me first.

Excuse me, can we frame our observations in ways that increase the chances that progressive forwarding actions and understanding will be increasing rather than decreasing as we attempt to increase the "enthusiasm gap" please? Otherwise we decrease the support the for anyone, while not increasing understanding at all. As political education, communication and organizing experience is all too lacking in modern America, every bit helps, and every avoidance, hurts. To say nothing of obscuring the issue.

I realize I have never said this before, so my shorthand is really easy to misunderstand.

And as it's never been heard before, the sarcasm is inappropriate, as well I guess.


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Read his resume again. (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, but this theory doesn't hold water in light of the evidence. His carreer shows he has to be intelligent, so we have to assume that what he does is not a stupid mistake, but deliberate.

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Career? (4.00 / 2)
Obama's career largely rests on being the President of the Harvard Law Review about 25 years ago.  The best-selling psychiatrist Scott Peck explained that people can be intelligent but emotional issues lead to holes in their intelligence, a theory he called "Swiss cheese intelligence."

Obama in many areas does not act intelligently.  In other areas he is, indeed intelligent.  Voila, Swiss cheese inteligence.  The simplest thing to do, by far, would have been to scrap the idea of bipartisanship and copy the early years of FDR.  Growth rates of 8%, 10% and 13% per year do lead to employment and to re-election.  Nope.  

My own theory is that the "interlligent" Obama disappears when it comes to dealing with the corporates, especially the bankers and Wall Street.  He's just trying to please grandma.  Or people like grandma.  The DFHs are mom and her two husbands.  It explains things that intelligence does not.


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Stupid (4.00 / 2)
For an intelligent person, Obama sure does some stuuuuupid things.

Increasing offshore oil drilling--because it's been a while since an oil rig broke, so it probably won't happen again--was stupid.

Escalating the war in Afghanistan, where there are about 100 enemy fighters, was stupid.  

Proposing a small stimulus because "the economy can right itself" was stupid.

And so on.


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Chicago (0.00 / 0)
Obama's career largely rests on being the President of the Harvard Law Review about 25 years ago.

Well, not quite, according to some of his early critics.

http://www.yesweekly.com/artic...

Apparently his career rests on the Daley machine.  Time to go back and read Mike Royko's Boss.


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Imho there's something to "Swiss cheese intelligence." (4.00 / 1)
That's something I observed in real life, too, and wondered about. Actually, I honestly wonder why I sometimes act so stupid when other people are involved!
:D

But regardless, even "Swiss cheese intelligentsia" is still commonly called "intelligent". So, your objection gives food for thought and further debate, but imho this is a bit nitpicking, still. Obama isn't dumb, as Shainzona stated. However, ok, this raises the question if deeply rooted convictions, like a preferrence for "let's all get along" can trump intelligence sometimes. Behaviourists should be able to check this by assembling a group of people with the same intelligence and testing them with problems based on game theory. If social convictions have an influence, there should be a signifcant number of wrong answers when it comes to questions where cooperation with the other side doesn't bring the best possible results!

That wouldn't change the idiotic "postpartisan" strategy of the president, of course, but at least it would help us understand why he prefers this approach even when it's clearly inefficient.


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I am not unethusiastic so much as I just dislke the blue dogs (4.00 / 3)
I help Roxanne Conlin, but I don't help Boswell or Culver.

I fully and completely agree with Dameocrat on how to supprt and fund people (4.00 / 1)
moving forward.

I see no reason at all to lend even half hearted vocal support to helping Nelson or Lieberman winb anything.

It would clear matters up a great deal if they were replaced by real greedopaths, and it would improve caucus discussions.

End the filibuster, let the blue dogs rot.


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campaigning democrats could do the campaigning job easier (4.00 / 1)
by campaigning on a few popular things like:

- expanding social security
- allow drug importation (canada, uk, etc.)
- adding a medicare buy-in to the exchange
- remove the ahip antitrust exemption
- letting the bush tax cuts expire
- complete the iraq withdrawal & end the afghan war
- passing stem-cell legislation


Completely agree! (0.00 / 0)
And it would be fantastic if soem progresses got together and found ways to share wording and production and national buys for such words, even for a common overriding theme like: "We're going back to end the obstruction, we're going back to Washington to push the Change we need, the chnage we promised." Then add the specifics as outlined by Big Hurt, plus or minus as negotiations go.

adding a Medicare buy-in to the exchange

on this specific, I would like to make sure that people understand that we also mean "If we are forcing people to buy insurance, and we are providing subsidies to those who cannot afford it, then lets open the monies we are spending to subsidize health insurance to be put into Medicare. Allow america to fund Medicare, save Medicare and heal America!"

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re: buy-in (4.00 / 1)
"If we are forcing people to buy insurance, and we are providing subsidies to those who cannot afford it, then lets open the monies we are spending to subsidize health insurance to be put into Medicare. Allow america to fund Medicare, save Medicare and heal America!"

well said


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