Presidential Forecast, 8/4: State polling still looks good

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Aug 04, 2008 at 13:13



Electoral College: Obama 264, McCain 172, Toss-up 102
National popular vote: Obama 46.6%-44.4% McCain


(Dark Blue (236): Obama +8.0% or more
Lean Blue (28): Obama +3.0%-+7.9%
White / Toss-up (102): Obama +2.9% to McCain +2.9%
Lean Red (86): McCain +3.0%-+7.9%
Dark Red (86): McCain +8.0% or more
)

New polls from Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky (2), Missouri, Montana, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma and Texas result in no category changes at all. Here is the swing state overview, which is virtually identical to the one from Thursday:

Swing State Overview (270 to win, 269 to tie)
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin Obama Total
Obama Base 243 243
Michigan 17 45.5% 41.3% +4.2% 260
New Hampshire 4 45.5% 42.5% +3.0% 264
Virginia 13 46.8% 44.8% +2.0% 277
Colorado 9 45.3% 43.5% +1.8% 286
Ohio 20 45.4% 44.0% +1.4% 306
Florida 27 46.8% 46.3% +0.5% 333
Nevada 5 42.3% 43.0% -0.7% 338
North Dakota 3 42.3% 43.5% -1.2% 341
Missouri 11 43.8% 45.4% -2.0% 352
Indiana 11 43.3% 45.3% -2.0% 363
Montana 3 43.3% 46.0% -2.2% 366
North Carolina 15 43.5% 47.0% -3.6% 381

It is possible that the lack of swing state polls in recent weeks makes Obama appear to be better off than he actually is. With the latest national movement toward McCain, it is possible that North Carolina, Indiana, Montana, and North Dakota are not really swing states anymore. Then again, since Obama’s path to victory never actually went through those states, maybe it doesn’t matter.

One thing to keep in mind is that, back in the middle of July, when McCain had a two-week resurgence in national polling, new state polls did not, generally speaking, confirm his rise. So, we will have to see what the new state polls are like before confirming a pro-McCain trend. Current state by state details can be found in the extended entry.

Update: A reader who will go anonymous (we will call him M. Moulitsas–no wait, that is too obvious–how about Markos M.?) writes in to note that  polls in the last two weeks from North Dakota, North Carolina, and Montana still show a close campaign. As someone who doesn’t like to argue with poll results, I have to agree. Those states appear as swinging as they ever were.  

Chris Bowers :: Presidential Forecast, 8/4: State polling still looks good
Solid Obama: 236 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 52.8% 36.3% +15.5% 4
Connecticut 7 54.4% 34.3% +19.0% 4
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
D.C. 3 — — +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 55.5% 35.3% +20.2% 4
Maine-AL* 2 50.3% 36.0% +14.3% 4
Maine-01* 1 — — +17.5% 0
Maine-02* 1 — — +11.1% 0
Maryland 10 51.5% 37.3% +14.2% 4
Massachusetts 12 53.3% 33.0% +20.3% 4
Minnesota 10 48.3% 40.3% +8.8% 4
New Mexico 5 48.5% 40.3% +8.2% 4
New Jersey 15 47.8% 36.4% +11.4% 5
New York 31 52.4% 31.8% +20.6% 5
Oregon 7 48.0% 39.0% +9.0% 4
Pennsylvania 21 48.8% 40.8% +8.0% 4
Rhode Island 4 50.8% 31.0% +19.8% 4
Vermont 3 60.0% 32.5% +27.5% 2
Washington 11 50.3% 39.0% +11.3% 4
Wisconsin 10 50.0% 39.8% +10.3% 4

Lean Obama: 28 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Iowa 7 46.0% 39.8% +6.2% 4
Michigan 17 45.5% 41.3% +4.2% 4
New Hampshire 4 45.5% 42.5% +3.0% 4

Toss-up: 102 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Colorado 9 45.3% 43.5% +1.8% 4
Florida 27 46.8% 46.3% +0.5% 4
Indiana 11 43.3% 45.3% -2.0% 4
Missouri 11 44.5% 46.5% -2.0% 4
Montana 3 44.3% 46.5% -2.2% 4
Nevada 5 42.3% 43.0% -0.7% 4
North Dakota 3 42.3% 43.5% -1.2% 4
Ohio 20 45.4% 44.0% +1.4% 5
Virginia 13 46.8% 44.8% +2.0% 4

Lean McCain: 86 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 42.3% 48.8% -6.5% 4
Arizona 10 37.5% 44.5% -7.0% 4
Georgia 15 41.8% 48.5% -6.7% 4
Nebraska-02** 1 — — -7.0% 0
North Carolina 15 43.4% 47.0% -3.6% 5
South Carolina 8 40.0% 46.8% -6.8% 4
Texas 34 39.3% 45.8% -6.5% 4

Solid McCain: 86 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 35.5% 51.3% -15.8% 4
Arkansas 6 38.0% 49.0% -11.0% 4
Idaho 4 38.0% 52.5% -14.5% 2
Kansas 6 36.8% 51.0% -14.2% 4
Kentucky 8 38.0% 50.8% -12.8% 4
Louisiana 9 38.5% 51.3% -12.8% 4
Mississippi 6 43.0% 51.3% -8.3% 4
Nebraska-AL** 2 35.3% 53.3% -18.0% 4
Nebraska-01** 1 — — -12.0% 0
Nebraska-03** 1 — — -36.0% 0
Oklahoma 7 30.0% 53.0% -23.0% 4
South Dakota 3 38.8% 47.5% -8.7% 3
Tennessee 11 34.8% 50.8% -16.0% 4
Utah 5 32.0% 55.3% -23.3% 4
West Virginia 5 36.0% 49.0% -13.0% 2
Wyoming 3 37.5% 53.5% -16.0% 2

* Maine four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska’s five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-02 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
I will update at least once every day between now and November 4th. The methodology is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, take the last four polls conducted for the state, and average them.
  2. If more than four polls were conducted in the state over the previous thirty days, all polls conducted during that time period are included in the averages.
  3. If polling dates overlap, and make it difficult to determine which polls were the four most recent, include all of the overlapping polls.
  4. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation. Also, if a polling firm has conducted more than one of the most recent four polls, all of the polls from that organization are included.

As we move closer to the election and more data becomes available, both the time frames for polls included in the averages will decrease and the definition of a “solid” lead will eventually drop to 7.0%.  

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I seem to recall the mid-July McCain "surge" was mainly down to… (0.00 / 0)
…just the tracking polls tightening for the odd day or two.  

 
The tyranny of tracking polls? (4.00 / 4)
Gallup and Rasmussen are exercising outsized influence on the polling environment simply because they’re the only polls that are being updated every day.  But let’s remember that in many cases, we’re talking about miniscule swings within those polls.

Today, Gallup has Obama +3, up from either +1 or tied over the previous three days.  One more day at that number, and we’ll have almost as much evidence for a new “Obama rebounding” narrative as there has been for the “McCain gaining” thing that everybody’s now talking about.  


 
Agreed (0.00 / 0)
I don’t know how many times people have to point that out before it catches on. Sigh.

[ Parent ]  
Wasn't CO and OH "lean Obama" for awhile? (0.00 / 0)
And now they’re not?  That would seem to indicate an effect at the state level…

 
We are talking about minute differences here (0.00 / 0)
It also depends on where Chris has decided to put the breaking point between Leans and tossup.

[ Parent ]  
As I noted (0.00 / 0)
Those changes were canceled out by Obama rising in Florida.  

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

[ Parent ]  
Except it's tossup… (0.00 / 0)
And not lean… The differential between Obama and McCain may be about the same, but now Obama’s not “leaning” an electoral college win, based on your methodology.

I don’t expect to see too much change between now and the convention, with the race at sort of a “tossup”, so hopefully Obama will get a big bounce out of it and McCain will only receive a small one.  Then lets hope there are no big blunders in the debates, as those are what arguably lost the election for Gore in 2000.


[ Parent ]  
Florida was lean McCain (0.00 / 0)
Florida was lean McCain for a while. So yes, it does cancel out, as both candidates lost about the same amount of leans to “toss-up.”

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

[ Parent ]  
Underpolling Obama support (0.00 / 0)
Does the lack of cell phone polling seriously undercount Obama support in the 18 to 29 yo demographic? Is African American turnout underestimated?

These are both big parts of the Obama strategy, and I wonder if the polls aren’t understating Obama’s margins.


 
Sort of, maybe (0.00 / 0)
There has been a lot of discussion about cell phones, and the consensus so far is that Obama’s support is being undercounted by a very small amount, it at all.

A bigger concern could be likely voter screens. If a significant amount of first-time black and/or youth voters should up at the polls, this support would be left out due to voter screens.



“Don’t hate the media, become the media” -Jello Biafra


[ Parent ]  
Also (0.00 / 0)
While I’m not much for running around dismissing the youth vote vis-a-vis turnout, there is no particularly compelling way to model what it might look like. Same with the likely surge in AA voting.

So the polling might undersample, but there’s no way to really know if it’s half a point or five.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.


[ Parent ]  
Undersampling in general (0.00 / 0)
Everything I am reading says that “IF’ there is under sampling, then it is in Obama’s favor.

Is that just CW, or is the math behind that correct? Does a school of thought exist that McAngry might drive UP the old white angry dude vote, or is that silly?


[ Parent ]  
Well (0.00 / 0)
I don’t think there’s any real way to quantify the unknown. But it seems like well-founded CW that any boost above traditional turnout would be among young people and AfAms.

John McCain opposes the GI Bill.

[ Parent ]  
Curious (4.00 / 2)
One thing I’m really curious about is the relationship between possible under-polling of Obama support and the eventual November turnout.  Some of the demographics with traditionally lower voter turnout are among the people most motivated by Obama.

If the race seems closer than it really is, it seems like this could actually be helpful in turning out the votes.  If Obama were trouncing McCain this early in the campaign it would make it much easier for people to become complacent and stop paying attention, but if people are genuinely afraid that McCain stands a decent chance of winning, they’ll be much more likely to turn out.

Of course, a close race could also galvanize McCain’s support, so it cuts both ways, but most of McCain’s support comes from demographics with traditionally high turnout rates like older voters and the religious right.  But it seems like on McCain’s end that would be more a matter of shoring up support and preventing reliable voters from leaving, whereas Obama could potentially bring in vast numbers of new voters.

It’ll be interesting to see the effect of the Latino vote, as well, since they’re lining up pretty solidly behind Obama in most states.  Throw in the $20 million the Obama campaign is using specifically for Latino voters, then push GOTV hard for everyone and it could end up a blowout.

Hell of an election to be following, but would be a whole hell of a lot more fun if there weren’t so much at stake.


[ Parent ]  
The election is state-by-state not a national vote (0.00 / 0)
Suppose McCain’s vote is mostly being boosted by undecideds in Southern and border states moving because of the Paris Hilton ads.  Does that change the race?  No. Colorado?  No.

Look at this–Obama up 10% among working class whites, largely because of economic concerns.  What is Obama talking about this week?  Energy and economic concerns.

Even if Obama is losing in the national tracking polls or in the Invisible Pundit Poll, he is still ahead in electoral votes.

The national tracking polls serve to give pundits something to talk about becised McCain’s trashy ads.  With Gergen’s takedown of McCain and his restrictions on access by the national press, there might be some movement in the Invisible Pundit Poll.  Who knows.  Just watch the state-by-state polls.  Obama’s ok, it’s just going to be closer than many of us had hoped.

John McCain–He’s not who you think he is.


 
That's true (0.00 / 0)
But the simple fact is that the probability of losing the popular vote by more than 1-2% and still winning the Electoral College is vanishingly small.

So for that reason, the national polls tell us a lot about the state of the race. And since they’re conducted more often than state polls, they’re a better indicator.


[ Parent ]  
Convention impact (0.00 / 0)
I expect the Democratic Convention will solidify Obama’s support in Colorado — all that free national exposure will have a halo effect for all Colorado Democrats. Plus, the Colorado GOP is falling apart at the seams.

 
More Like This, Please . . . (0.00 / 0)
New ad from Team Obama — Pocket

via FDL and TheCarpetBaggerReport

http://firedoglake.com/2008/08…

http://www.thecarpetbaggerrepo…

“Every time you fill your tank, the oil companies fill their pockets. Now Big Oil’s filling John McCain’s campaign with 2 million dollars in contributions. Because instead of taxing their windfall profits to help drivers, McCain wants to give them another 4 billion in tax breaks. After one president in the pocket of big oil, we can’t afford another.”

“Barack Obama – a windfall profits tax on big oil to give families a thousand dollar rebate. A president who’ll stand up for you.”

That’s the kind of two-by-four between the eyes we’ve been waiting for —

Go get ’em, Tiger!


 
Decent… (4.00 / 1)
Hopefully some other groups will go strongly negative on McCain’s character, though, as the Republicans have been doing to Democrats forever.  I know it sucks to say that, but we need to start fighting fire with fire.

[ Parent ]  
Who is this Markos M. / M. Moulitsas? (0.00 / 0)
And if he is to be trusted then why won’t he reveal his real name?!?

 
Tracking Polls (0.00 / 0)
I keep hearing about this national movement towards McCain. Where is this exactly? Yeah, you have that one tracking poll, but again it’s a tracking poll. Obama was ahead of McCain in every national head to head poll for May except for one:

CBS/NY Times: Obama, 11 points
USA Today/Gallup: McCain, 1 point
Ipsos: Obama, 4 points
LA Times/Bloomberg: Obama, 6 points
NPR: Obama, 5 points
Quinnipiac: Obama, 7 points
ABC/Washington Post: Obama, 7 points
Reuters/Zogby (including Ralph Nader & Bob Barr): Obama, 10 points
GW-Battleground poll: Obama, 2 points
Investor’s Business Daily: Obama, 11 points
Newsweek: Tie

Yet on May 25th Obama was behind in BOTH tracking polls. I really just ignore tracking polls.

So how has Obama done in the last batch of Regular National polls (Not Tracking):

Qunnipiac: Obama +9
Reuters: Obama +7
Washington post (Regsitered Voters-4Way): Obama +10, (2 Way): Obama +8
NBC/WSJ: (4-way): Obama +12, (2-Way): Obama +6
Research 2000 (4-way): Obama +12
Gallup: McCain +4
CNN/Opinion Research  7/31/08: Obama +7

Really, I just don’t see this supposed McCain momentum.



 
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