Ralph Nader, Bob Barr to Team Up

by: Matt Stoller

Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 16:32


Running for office is incredible tough, and something that is difficult to imagine unless you've done it.  So one interesting phenomenon we see is that credible people who run as fringe-y third party candidates tend to have interesting insights into what's wrong with the political system, but no actual willingness to subordinate their egos to actual solve the problems they cite.  In 2000, though Gore and Bush weren't identical, there was definitely a reasonable critique of both parties as militaristic and excessively corporate; the next eight years have seen a vicious intra-party fight within the Democratic Party to expel the DLC.  We are far from winning, but Nader was a good signal that such a fight was on the horizon.
Matt Stoller :: Ralph Nader, Bob Barr to Team Up

Now Bob Barr, a creature of the right and Ralph Nader, an entrepreneur of the anti-partisan 1970s left, are
teaming up.

Nader took that as a sign he appeals to disillusioned voters on the right and left - one of his few points of optimism: "Things are getting so bad, for libertarians and liberals there's starting to be a convergence of interests," he said. "I think it's a huge step." Nader said a critical mass is building on both ends of the political spectrum pressing for transparency in government spending and an online database of military contracts.

To that end, Nader and Barr are working to put out a joint statement stressing the shared goals of liberals and libertarian conservatives on the issues of corporate subsidies, civil liberties and, of course, election reform. "You can't focus on voters' rights and ignore candidate rights," Nader said. "They're inextricably related."

I'm not exactly sure what these two hope to get done.  Probably nothing, actually, except some media exposure.  Nader hasn't really done anything significant since 2000, and what he did then was not particularly, um, progressive.  And it's been years, perhaps decades, since he did any real organizing.

Still, when Nader and Barr talk about the convergence between liberals and libertarians, they aren't wrong.  I'm not sure though what Nader has to do with either liberals or libertarians at this point.


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I think Matt almost always elevates the discussion, but--"to subordinate their egos to actual solve the problems they cite"--reflects a pretty low level of political and civic discourse.  (This is a reiteration of silly DNC talking points from 2000.)  

Matt, you are not really a progressive. (2.00 / 2)
I know this because not really being a progressive is the only possible reason for members of the progressive blogosphere to not interview Cynthia McKinney. I know this because Cynthia McKinney informed me of that yesterday during a radio interview as I was on my way to vote for Jim Martin in the Georgia Senate runoff.

miasmo.com

troll rating? (0.00 / 0)
Oldenburg, why did you troll rate me? Was it because you didn't realize that the comment was sarcastic, i.e. the point I was making was the opposite of what I actually wrote? Or was it because you were offended by me making a joke at Cynthia McKinney's expense?

Please explain, because I'm befuddled.

miasmo.com


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Wonder what the Libertarian Party thinks of this? (0.00 / 0)
Seems like Barr is cheapening the brand.

Actually what I am told (0.00 / 0)
Is that there's actually been a struggle in recent years within the Libertarian party between a faction that wants to move to a more politically pragmatic libertarianism (relatively speaking) and the hardcore oldschool set. Barr's victory at the convention this year was supposedly kind of viewed as representing the victory of the "pragmatic" faction over the protest-vote faction. So maybe not so much "cheapening" the brand as intentionally repositioning it-- not that the hardcore might view these two things as different.

(This is just my garbled second-hand understanding from listening to someone who follows the LP and I can't back it up with any source, so grain of salt.)


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