Quantifying conservative victimology--my new project needs your help & advice

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jan 30, 2010 at 13:00


Gather ye political pet peeves, people, and plug them into my new project.

Usually people can disrupt a comment thread by talking about something that's totally off-topic.  This diary is a bit different.  Sure you can disrupt it by being an asshole, or by talking about irrelevant non-political issues.  But if you're simply fixated on your own particular issue, that's not a problem this time out.  I'm looking for as many different issue-area ideas as possible that I can deal with under a unified framework: the framework of quantifying conservative victimology.

I'll explain about what I'm looking for more specifically at the end, but first let me talk about the broad outlines of what I'm up to, by way of how I came to it.

A couple of weeks ago I wrote a few diaries about the cultural theory of risk, and a particular version of it known as cultural cognition.  (Here, here, and here.) What attracted me to it was trying to answer the question of why people deny global warming.  The answer provided by this view is that people adopt facts that fit with their values/worldviews and threat perceptions.

At one level, I find this argument persuasive.  And yet, there's a real problem with it: it treats everyone more or less equally, whether the threats they perceive are quite real or almost entirely imaginary.  It also ignores the influences of hegemonic discourse.  Now, I'm the first to admit that there are unrealistic people all across the political spectrum.  But that's not the same as saying there are equal numbers of equally unrealistic people all across the political spectrum.  There are real differences, and one of the most noticeable examples of this is the general phenomena of conservative victimology.

I've written a few diaries about it recently.  First, I wrote one about the mythology of Christian martyrs--the apparently widespread belief touted by Rick Warren, among others, that hundreds of thousands of Christians are martyred for their faith each year.  Despite this apparently widespread belief, the Warren spokesperson I talked with had in mind the same site I did, which actually names specific martyrs, but couldn't even fill its 5 five featured slots with martyrs from last year.  Given this evidence, in a followup diary I estimated that the fear of Christian martyrdom was inflated on the order of ~10^5 times. (Actually closer to 29,000, but I was feeling generous at the time.)

Then, after the Citizens United decision, when conservatives started the meme that it would "level the playing field" with MoveOn.org, I calculated the ratio of MoveOn's 2008 contributions to total US corporate profits.  This, too, turned out to be inflating MoveOn's fearsome power about 29,000 times, and I reported on both ("Rightwing victimology ratio: More than 10,000-to-1").

So I began to think that I was onto something and that I should try to look at other ways to quantify conservative victimology.

Paul Rosenberg :: Quantifying conservative victimology--my new project needs your help & advice
Several ideas occurred to me fairly quickly.  One was a topic that I've been writing about for quite some time--the conservative fear of virtually non-existent voter fraud, as an excuse for voter suppression.  I'll be posting a diary about that later on, which will just be a first stab at what I consider a very fruitful application of this approach to quantifying conservative victimology.  There's lots of data out there, although much of it is fragmentary, or limited in scope.  There's also a community of researchers and activists whose work is an enormous help for what I'm trying to do.

Two other ideas that occurred to me almost at the same time were (1) the levels of actual fraud from defense contractors and the like vs. the baseless fraud scare re ACORN's paltry $3 million and (2) the amount of money that whites would see as just compensation for the cost of being black vs. the actual cost.  On further reflection, I decided that the second one was more of a piece of evidence for the broader example of white complaints re affirmative action vs. the actual costs to blacks of ongoing discrimination.  This is also something I've written about before, so I have some idea going in of at least part of the contours of what's involved, and what the data looks like.

Another topic that immediately suggests itself is the conservative hysteria over "outing" anti-gay activists vs. the enormously widespread reality of anti-gay violence.  This is closely connected to the very first example that caught my attention, but it arises most directly from the absurd example of the Supreme Court shutting down the video replay of the Federal Prop 8 trial, justified 5-4 on just such imaginary grounds.  The challenge here--as may well be the case in many examples--is to find the right quantifiable measures to compare.  

So, this is where you come in.  Of course you can say anything you want in the comments.  Tell me this is a stupid idea, tell me someone else has already done it, whatever.  But I'm especially interested in hearing your ideas about (a) examples of conservative victimology related to a political issue you know and/or care a good deal about (or that's important to someone who's close to you), and (b) how we might go about quantifying the conservative's imagined victimization vs. reality.  These quantifying measures can take the form of showing that (a) conservatives are not hurt nearly as much as they imagine (a handful of martyrs vs. hundreds of thousands), or that (b) others are hurt vastly more than they are (voter suppression affects millions of people--stay tuned for that), or (c) anything else that you brilliant people can come up with to make me go "D'oh!"

So, by all means, jump in a tell me your ideas.


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Does This Fit? (0.00 / 0)
(a) You cannot help/fix/improve urban public education by throwing money at it.

(b) There are a lot of data about how much is spent on the education of non-urban kids (including non-public funding that is not available in urban areas) and how achievement and learning broadly defined, is closely related to the life-time resources available for education, again broadly defined, of our nation's youth.


That Should be.... (0.00 / 0)

"are closely related".  Sorry.

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It's A Good Start (0.00 / 0)
Because you've identified an area where statistical values have been ignored.  But I'm not sure what the conservative victomology claim is that can be quantified.  This is what I'd suggest you (and anyone else interested) need to do some brainstorming about.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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My limited imagination... (0.00 / 0)
needs a seed by which to prime itself.  So, my thoughts run to things which can be counted.  Events.  Instances. Individuals. Dollars.  Minutes/hours/days/etc. ...

And, I "percolate" from there as I muse...


Think Chicken Little (0.00 / 0)
I'd concentrate on any wild statistical claims you can come up with that conservatives have made regarding issues you care about.

Or any wild claims they've made that have an implicit statistical interpretation.

I think that would be a better way to come up with ideas.  But YMMV.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I Should Also Note (0.00 / 0)
There are some examples of conservative victimology that are unquantifiable, simply because you can't quantify ratios with a zero denominator.  In my next diary on voter suppression vs. voter fraud, I get around this by using figures for voter fraud that aren't the result of any nefarious plot.  That gives me a figure of 8 per election cycle.  Otherwise, I couldn't come up with any ratios.

But remember the "death tax" claims about family farmers being driven out of business?  Well, there weren't any at all, and there was no reasonable substitute.  So no conservative victimology ratio was possible.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


The accusation that the major media are "liberal" (0.00 / 0)
As someone who has never ever had his peace vigil paintings (displayed at local peace vigils) reported in the local Twinkle (our paper's nickname) and who has had to search the NYTimes A section for a paragraph on Washington D.C. antiwar marches where hundreds of thousands of people attended...........I think the all mass media are 'liberal' meme is outrageously untrue.

How do you quantify 'victim' memes from the right? If it is a lie and they claim there's a bias against them, you have to prove that they are lying and then count the episode as one event for that meme.

Sh*t, IDK.

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There Are Lots of Kinds of Bias (0.00 / 0)
unfortunately.  And not every one is going to an example of conservative victimology.  But even if your idea doesn't fit, it may spark an idea in someone else's head that fits.

So, even though I don't see how this goes anywhere right now, I want to thank you for sharing it.  I definitely know the feeling all too well.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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An idea (0.00 / 0)
Use Chomsky and Herman's method from Manufacturing Consent: Examine the stories that cast "conservatives" or "conservativism" in a neutral or positive light, particularly those that adopt or uncritically repeat "conservative" memes. Count the number and length of such stories (in column inches or airtime minutes). Then do the same for stories that cast them in a negative light, or that deconstruct or otherwise criticize those memes. This will demonstrate the degree to which "conservatives" or "conservatism" is actually "victimized" in the press.

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news media (0.00 / 0)
The constant schreech of LIBERAL MEDIA is infuriating. Even when exposed to, say Randy Rhodes (true liberal media) the right continues to describe the corporate media exactly backwards. As if they truely believed it.

Am sure they do this to influence the refs, so to speak, and it is effective, so the truely conservative media constantly moves further right. And the general public getting their info primarily from this polluted well, is daily brainwashed by the continous stream of lies.

The effect of this is cumulative and destructive to the very fabric of democracy. A misinformed person will always make the wrong decision, -the one desired, and designed by the propaganda artists who control the info..... Always to benifit the few at the many's expense.

The longer this goes on, the worse it gets. As the various outlets compete to "one up" each other from bad to worse, bigger and more outlandish lies, what can be the possible end?

Chaos? Civil war? Fascism? This must be one of the world's biggest problems.  

Government by organized money is no better than government by organized mob..... FDR


I don't know if i'm on the right track... (0.00 / 0)
with what you're looking for but i am tired of the RW victimization that allowing immigrants to become citizens and be legally employed will steal their jobs (i.e. see how we're victims of joblessness because of some immigrant?). I would be curious to see what the data suggests after the last large citizenship of immigrants, or even the waves of immigrants earlier in our history. I'll bet it suggest economic boom instead of dwindling in employment numbers. If I'm offbase with what you're looking for, i apologize, but it is a 'victim' mentality that the GOP pushes on this front and with immigration reform coming up (hopefully!) we can nip this in the bud.

This Is Really Complicated (0.00 / 0)
Immigrant bashing is generally a very complicated thing, beginning with a divide-and-conquer approach by ruling elites. In our time, it's amplified by the role of "free trade" ideology fronting for subsidized exports to Mexico as a driving force, making it impossible for millions of Mexican peasants to continue living on the land, raising corn, so they end up here as "illegals".  The accumulation of contradictions heading off in different directions is overwhelming.

I think what works best for what I'm trying to do--initially at least--is situations where the complications are dominated by a relatively simply divide. But I think that what you're pointing to is a very sensible place to turn attention to after the initial work,

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A few thoughts.... (0.00 / 0)
- Claims of "Who, me?" or "Everybody does it; it's only politics" regarding using filibusters and related processes to block legislation, judicial nominees, cabinet and department nominees.

- Judicial activism. Comparing number of times that Supreme Court and higher courts overturned precedent or the will of Congress in an apparently partisan or questionably Constitutional manner.

- Demonization of "socialistic" blue, particularly urban, areas and states that pay far more into the federal system than they take back in benefits. Related example of Alaska, where real, hard-working, self-sufficient Americans live, but which takes back a bounty of federal dollars and which imposes high taxes on oil companies that are then distributed to Alaskans.  


Good Ideas, But (0.00 / 0)
I'm looking for either specific narrow focuses that can be quantified, or broader ones that have a reasonable coherence to them, so that different, but related means of quantification can be used.  I'm also looking for things that will generate outsized ratios that I think reasonably reflect the actual degrees of irrationality.

Generally speaking, when actions are institutionally constrained, most metrics will seldom show anything like a 10-to-1 ratio, simply because the institutional constraints dominate all else.  I want to focus first on what it's like as freed from those constraints as possible.  Things like overturning precedent are not likely to give the full flavor of what I'm looking for--at least initially.

But they do suggest an important direction for turning attention to once the first stage is complete--and here I thought the first stage was the whole ball of wax!

Gee, thanks!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I have one that seems so obvious to me that (0.00 / 0)
I wonder why no one else has said it, or maybe you've already done this? (I didn't look at the links you provided in your diary.)

The one that really pisses me off is the

TAX and SPEND Dems.

When did that start anyway?

You could probably demolish that battle cry, just as you debunked the myth, in a recent analysis posted here, that Dems are the party that grew the U.S. debt to its currently untenable size.  

Which political party is culpable for the size of the U.S. debt? Not the Dems, the Republicans that's who.

I thought that diary was excellent and belongs in the NYT, at least on the op-ed page.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905


I never understood that charge, "tax and spend" (4.00 / 1)
I mean, what would they have us do otherwise?  Boo tax and spend... as opposed to what?  I mean, that's what a government does - it takes in taxes and it spends it on stuff people want.  None of the other possibilities make sense.

Accusing someone of being a "tax and spend Democrat" is like accusing someone of being an "eat and shit human".  Okay... and?


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Borrow And Spend (4.00 / 1)
The conservative alternative is not to pay for anything.  And then demand that Democrats fix things when they take office.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Fossil Fuels, Incinerators, Heavy Manufacturing (0.00 / 0)
What is the comparative value of jobs (direct, indirect, and induced) v. cost to human health and productivity?  I saw one study of how much wealth coal provides West Virginia versus how much it costs in early death, but I'd like to see a more comprehensive accounting of this.  Not quite victimology maybe, though I guess it's a matter of shifting the terms of who's currently paying the price for our system.

An EJ perspective (who in particular bears the cost) is particularly important for this kind of thing.

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Yeah, there's gotta be a lotta E J examples (0.00 / 0)
Chemical corridor along the Mississippi south of Baton Rouge, for example.

Superfund sites, and the cost v. utility arguments over cleaning them up...


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I Do Have Something Like This On My List (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure how well it will pan out, or how well it fits the core of what I'm trying to get at, but I'm definitely considering a similar example of the externalized costs of the ports of LA and LB. So your suggestion would be a natural to include as well.

The thing is that conservative victimology is expressed in this context, but doesn't tend to be a dominant rationale.  (It's probably moreso in your case, tho.) I want to focus first off on more clear-cut cases, as I develop a better sense of how they get connected to other narratives, issues, factors.

But it's definitely putting on the list for future reference.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Colleges (0.00 / 0)
The conservative as victim in the college setting -- by the supposed absence of conservative ideas, by having to study (hear, read, discuss)liberal (even radical!) ideas, and of course the "PC" speech codes that oppress them.

 

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


but someone else... (0.00 / 0)
will have to think of how to quantify it.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.

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Gay Marriage? (0.00 / 0)
Conservotard victimology has it that 'gay marriage threatens and/or undermines traditional marriage.'

But the facts seem to indicate that in states where gay marriage/civil union is permitted, the rate of all divorces goes down?

Like dat?


a subset of that (0.00 / 0)
is that conservatives are victims because they will be forced into performing gay marriages.

Such as:

The mayor that is happy to conduct marriages but isn't willing to conduct civil unions. (In NJ, one has to do both or neither.)

The religious organization that gets a tax break by allowing their park to be used for marriages by the general public (for a fee, of course) but then does not want to allow civil unions.

The church that will somehow have to perform gay marriages. (not true).

But how to quantify? I don't know. Really, after all, what's really going is the conservative sees himself as victim because society will not discriminate against gays.



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Analogous to... (0.00 / 0)
medical professionals, pharmacists, etc. being required to or being exempted from performing duties that are part of their jobs, but contrary to their religious beliefs.  

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There Are Probably Some Spin-Off Things That Could Be Quantified (0.00 / 0)
But nailing them down may take a bit of work.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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a very minor one (0.00 / 0)
(Minor because it's hard to say how widespread it is among conservatives and because it's not a major public battle.)

I noticed some conservatives this week reacting to liberal complaints abut the spending "freeze" in relation to scientific research as saying the private sector does plenty of basic research. I'm pretty sure that this can be shown to be way out of proportion, though it depends on definitions of "basic" to be sure.

New Jersey politics at Blue Jersey.


Planned Parenthood (4.00 / 1)
I'm a bit skeptical of your attempt to quantify victimology but it's a fun exercise in any case...

A common refrain from the right is that Planned Parenthood makes a boatload of cash performing abortions - in other words, they have impure motives in advocating choice.  This is really boilerplate "denigrate your enemy" so they're easier to hate.

But the group's annual statements should provide some numbers - ie, percentage of planned parenthood revenues from abortion, salaries of doctors, amount volunteer labor, etc.


The Proof Is In The Pudding (0.00 / 0)
Look at my followup post on voter suppression vs. voter fraud.  It's an example where there's a pretty broad range of data available, so I don't expect every example to be up to that level.  But it does show a proof of concept so far as I'm concerned.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Here's a few well-hyped faux (0.00 / 0)
conservative grievances, though some of them are more easily quantifiable the way you're looking for than others:

- Black on white racism

- Institutional support for affirmative action for AA's and other minorities in education versus supposed institutional "bias" against conservative students and instructors

- anti-white-male PC-ness (e.g. in TV comedy, vs the reality of white male domination of nearly all cultural narratives)

Great project idea BTW.


And two more (0.00 / 0)
- DFHs spitting on the troops vs the constant praise and thanks returning soldiers are actually getting

- Moslems taking over/ the threat of Islam/ the dhimmitude of Western society (see lunatics like atlas shrugs for details) versus the real effects in American society on things like education, law, number of mosques vs churches, etc.


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I've Written About The Spitting A Number of Times (0.00 / 0)
But I'm not sure quite how we'd go about quantifying this.

Any further thoughts on that?

A related meme is a bit easier--the myth of captive MIAs. which was from the get-go entangled with the unfortunate wartime reality of those who die without their bodies being recovered and identified.  I could compare these figures to those for the North Vietnamese & Viet Cong.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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It is tough (0.00 / 0)
since it's the same problem you point out above re death tax and family farms going bankrupt, or organized voter fraud incidents - zero real incidents mean you can't divide by zero. But that shouldn't keep you from doing the analysis on those sorts of things. They're the best examples.

Why shouldn't you say the ratio is, say, 29,000 to 0? Their claims are inflated by an infinite number of times. Formally it might be undefined to divide by 0, but you're not really making a math argument here, are you, you're making a rhetorical/ philosophical/ political one. Intuitive presentation of the validity of what's being claimed should be good enough to make the points you really want to make.


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Me too (0.00 / 0)
I was thinking along this same line too. See my comment further down . . .

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"The leftists want to take away my guns" (4.00 / 1)
How many times has the ATF (or other Federal government forces) actually tried to disarm a law-abiding citizen?

How much would it cost to attempt such a program nationwide?

What are the chances that ANY politician (even if they were inclined to do so) would actually be able to enact such a scheme? It would be a "constitutional crisis", no?

Which world governments throughout history have tried to disarm the populace and what were the results?

For all the "onerous" gun laws passed, state and federal, has the rate of gun ownership been reduced? Has the production rate of personal arms decreased? Are US gun laws so restrictive that gun manufacturers have moved to other nations? Do American gun owners buy their guns abroad, or at home?  

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Good Points (0.00 / 0)
But I'm not immediately locking into how this should be quantified.

I'd appreciate your thoughts on this. It's definitely worth pursuing.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yeah, counting is sometimes a drag (0.00 / 0)
If only we could create our own reality[!]

I think there's a short-cut up ahead, just bear the the Right.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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It is OK (0.00 / 0)
the right wing and the gun owners don't have answers either.

We are a heavily armed ostrich clawing at cliches' in the sand. (note the lack of the punctuation mark: [!]).


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Discrimination, Double Taxation (4.00 / 1)
Discrimination:
That white male Christians are now "victims" of discrimination. I hear this from conservatives all the time. Because of the civil rights movement, the feminist movement and other movements that have sought to correct the imbalance of privilege bestowed on white male Christians, conservatives assert that WMC are today's victims of discrimination. Would not be that hard to quantify this when you look at all the variables like employment, income, housing, education, etc.

Double Taxation:
That taxing investment income is unfair because the money used to make that investment was already taxed once as earned income subject to income taxes. The most common push-back on this argument is to point out that eliminating taxes on investment income means that then only wage-earners would be supporting the country, which is of course blatantly unfair. But I would like to see someone actually present an argument against the double taxation meme based purely on numbers.


White Victimization Is Definitely On My List (0.00 / 0)
I've written about this sort of thing before, such as black unemployment rates, backed up by job-interview surveys.

The double-taxation meme seems a bit removed from my central focus, but I'll add it to my list for second-round consideration.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Twice (0.00 / 0)
and even in reverse

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Criminal recidivism? (4.00 / 1)
Do conservatives vastly overestimate how likely thieves, murderers, and rapists are to commit more crimes if released from prison?  That should be easily quantifiable.

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Not Sure (0.00 / 0)
I'm even less sure how this fits the model of what I'm looking for.

I do know they must underestimate the impact of corporate crime, though, and how little it is deterred by the petty sanctions that apply.  But even comparing street crime and suite crime is not really what I'm looking for.  It's related, but then, everything's related.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Religion is obvious, I think. (0.00 / 0)
And I hope I'm not repeating anyone else's suggestion.

They're always talking about how this nation is supposed to be a Christian nation, and any time someone actually adheres to separation of church and state, that's an attack upon Christianity.  Thus, Republican Christians see themselves as victims under attack from pretty much everyone else.

The most obvious example of this is the "war on Christmas" accusation that comes up every year, thanks to Loofa Bill.

I'm not sure how to go about quantifying this, but I think a good start would be to compare the number of Christians holding public office throughout the US to the number of non-Christians.  (A lot of work, to be sure.)  I feel pretty confident that the number of Christians will easily dwarf all the others combined.  You could divide the Christians up by denomination if you wanted, but that wouldn't fit with the claim Republican Christians are making, which is that all Christianity is under attack.

So, does that fit with what you're looking for?  Did you already think of this?  Did I completely miss the point?

If you don't fight, you can't win.
Never give up. Never Surrender.


the discourse around 9-11 vs. the entire history of american foreign policy comes to mind (4.00 / 1)
but i'm not sure i'm allowed to say that.  i'm also not sure if it's an example of conservative victomology as much as it is opportunism.  i'm not sure they ever really cared - no one who did would have been able to be as crass and machiavellian as they were.  sort of like the supreme court 'strict constructionists' who engage in more judicial activism than one can possibly fathom.

i guess i see more of it in the ones who attempt to exploit populism.  the glenn beck sarah palin types exploit.  this ranges from attempts to 'protect' the family to attacks on the more genuine (rather than hyperdogmatic) attempts to criticise racism, sexism, homophobia, etc., the complaints they had about universities and the groups there assembled int he 80s and 90s (e.g. dinesh dsouza, david whatshisface before he awakened and started media matters).
oups there assembled int he 80s and 90s (e.g. dinesh dsouza
but i think part of that is the result of very clumsy and sometimes classist efforts by progressives and the state as a whole to police people - especially people without the cultural capital to really resist that.

anyway if you want to see conservative victomology, i suggest reading some pamphlets of the british national party or just watching a few hours of glenn beck (while he's building weasel fences).


I'm Not Trying To Encompass The Entire History Of Conservative Victimology (0.00 / 0)
I'm trying to identify aspects of it that can be clearly identified and quantified.

So what are your suggestions for quantifying any of the above?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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sorry don't do well with quantification :) (0.00 / 0)
one interesting thing would be to look at the number of congresspeople who make statements against the budget deficit and also voted for legislation that increase it to support war, pro-rich redistribution, or unnecessary rents to corporations.  and then break that down by party and other measures and show some percentages.

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