Progressives, Investment, and the Federal Deficit

by: Mike Lux

Tue Feb 02, 2010 at 11:30


Many of the progressive economists and political leaders I respect the most tend to downplay worries about the federal budget deficit, or say that while we need to worry about it someday, we can't do anything about it until the economy recovers. For example, the great economist James K. Galbraith wrote a piece the other day entitled "Why Progressives Shouldn't Fall For the Deficit Reduction Trap". In it, he reacts to a press statement from some left-of-center groups where they discuss responsible ways to cut the deficit that don't involve cutting Social Security/Medicare by arguing that progressives should not even concede deficits are bad in any way, let alone talk about constructive ways down the road to deal with them.

As much as I respect the people holding both positions- the one saying we should work on deficit reduction but not right now, and the one saying it's wrong to even acknowledge that running deficits is bad- I believe that both positions are a deep political and economic mistake. While I support Keynesian deficit spending in a recession like this one, I also believe that progressives do our bigger political cause a huge disservice if we ignore the deficit issue. I believe to my core that when faced with an intractable political problem, the only way to deal with it is to face it head on rather than ignore it or stay on the defensive about it. Democrats would have taken control of Congress in 1998 if they had pushed back sooner against Republican impeachment efforts rather than trying to change the subject. Al Gore would have won West Virginia, Tennessee, Arkansas and the Presidency if he had dealt with the gun issue head on rather than ignoring and hoping it would go away. And progressives will get far more traction by taking on the deficit issue directly and having our own strategy for dealing with it than by saying it doesn't matter, or saying we'll deal with it later, and then trying to change the subject.

Before I go on to say what I think our deficit strategy should be, let me also go out on a limb and say this: getting the deficit under control does actually matter. As long as we owe the Chinese this much money, we are never going to take them on as aggressively as we should on trade and climate change and other issues. As long as the deficit and the interest on our national debt skyrockets, there will be no political will for investing the money we need to invest in our people. The owners of our national debt, whether we are talking foreign countries or wealthy bankers, are not the kind of folks I want to be benefiting from our national treasury. We need a plan to reduce our annual deficits. But the bottom line for me is that the politics of ever-expanding deficits and debt are unsustainable over the long run. Voters prefer jobs over deficits in the short term, for sure, but over the long run it becomes a bigger and bigger symbol for voters of an out of control government, and that is not good for the progressive cause over time.

So here's what I think progressives should be doing about our deficit:

Mike Lux :: Progressives, Investment, and the Federal Deficit
1. The first thing I think everyone needs to understand is that the best way, the only way really, to be serious about deficit reduction is to get our economy moving again, and there's no way to do it without dramatically reducing unemployment. Everyone with a job is paying income taxes and payroll taxes, and is buying more things which (a) generates more jobs, and (b) brings in more sales tax revenues to local govt. More people employed is the only way to get houses prices stabilized and headed up, which also means more in property taxes. On the other hand every unemployed worker on unemployment comp or other welfare programs is a drain on our government budgets (I am mixing and matching federal taxes and spending with state and local, but to some extent it's fungible given all the revenue sharing being done with state and local governments).

We need to be investing in the kinds of jobs that build and sustain our economy over time. The two areas most important to that mission are infrastructure projects and green energy jobs. Infrastructure jobs- roads, bridges, schools, mass transit, universal broadband, etc- does more than any other kind of investment to set the stage for a stronger economy in the future, and green energy jobs will grow and grow over time as green energy and conservation replaces fossil fuels in the world economy of the future.

Now I know what you are saying: but this is spending, not deficit reduction. Well, if you take the long view, and approach this as rebuilding the economy for the future, all of these investments will more than pay for themselves over time, especially if you take into account the better economy is the best-way-to-cut-the-deficit argument in the first paragraph of this section. But I would also advocate a 10-year budgeting plan to more than pay for all this by taxing the parts of the economy that have done the most damage to our economy and environment: taxes on the fossil fuel energy industry to pay for green energy, and a tax on financial transactions to pay for infrastructure projects. You could backload the taxes if you want since the economy is more fragile now to give the jobs programs more of a Keynesian stimulus effect, but since we want to promote green energy over dirty energy, and we want to discourage the reckless speculative trading on Wall Street and promote the main street economy instead, this is the perfect formula.

2. It's been said so many times it's become a cliché, but reforming health care, if done right, will absolutely do a great deal to reduce the deficit. Of course, doing it right would mean doing things like a strong public option and the federal government negotiating drug prices with pharmaceutical companies, so if those don't get done in this round of health care, us deficit hawk progressives should go back and fix health care reform so that it really does reduce the deficit, but that should absolutely be part of our deficit reduction plan.

3. There's this little federal program called the military where the waste and fraud involved has not been deeply examined in many, many years. If experts went in and examined the military budget, weapons systems, procurement and other contracting issues, and other parts of that budget, I bet that 20% could be saved pretty easily. And 20% of the military budget is a fairly hefty chunk of change.

4. There is one outrageous corporate tax loophole after another built into the overly complicated federal tax system, and speaking of an area of the budget that hasn't been closely looked at, I think it's time to go over all these loopholes with a fine-toothed comb. It's very clear that if progressives were in charge of the government we could eliminate scores of billions of dollars a year in these kinds of loopholes.

5. My home state is Nebraska, and I have a farm in the family, so I'm a little more sympathetic than some to some kinds of farm subsidies for family farmers. But the subsidies going to the mega-wealthy corporate agri-business firms, many of which help them drive smaller family farms out of business, are obscene. Tens of billions of dollars could be cut with a few hundred agribusiness multi-millionaires being the only ones to not benefit.

6. Finally, there is the old tried and true: taxing really, really rich people. Republicans can howl class warfare all you want, but it is a simple fact that wealth is the most concentrated it has been in this country at least since the 1920s, and getting more so every year. The people hoarding all the dough can afford to pay a little more in taxes, especially give how many times their taxes have been deeply cut over the last 60 years.

Now I ain't a numbers guy or a federal budget wonk, I'm just a simple country boy. But there is more than enough money, even if we add the money we need for domestic programs and jobs, in these six areas to balance the budget over the next 5-10 years, especially if we invest in our people and get the economy back on track. We can do it without phony commissions or discretionary budget freezes or slashing Social Security and other entitlements. Progressives should begin talking now about our own common sense plan for dealing with the deficit, so that we don't have to be on political defense for the next decade and beyond.


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I know you didn't mention this .. (4.00 / 1)
but isn't it a bit telling that someone like Pete Peterson only gets on his deficit reduction hobby horse when Democrats are in power? ... where was he(and by extenstion .. the TradMed he's bought off) during the Dubya years?

Fiscal Responsibility, NOT Deficit Reduction (4.00 / 9)
You're absolutely right about this, Mike:

I believe to my core that when faced with an intractable political problem, the only way to deal with it is to face it head on rather than ignore it or stay on the defensive about it.

But the intractable political problem is not the federal debt. It's the fiscal irresponsibility of the Republicans, as illustrated in three related charts I've presented in recent diaries, showing who's been responsible for lowering the debt-to-GDP ratio, and who's been responsible for raising it.

First of all, it's important to realize that debt by itself is not problematic for sovereign governments, only an excessive debt-to-GDP ratio is.  And what's "excessive" is a relative term, defined in large part by perceived long-term ability to manage the ratio.  Thus, the first chart, simply showing the magnitude of the debt-to-GDP ratio, begins with very high levels due to WWII, but no one then thought of the debt as a problem--and for good reason, as we made massive pay-downs on the debt during Truman's presidency.  It was only after Ronald Reagan fronted for the rise of narratives about the dangers of the debt that it actually became a problem:

The second chart shows the change in debt-to-GDP ratio, so we can see who was making progress in bringing it down vs. who was making the problem worse:

And the third chart rearranges the second chart from being ordered historically to being order in terms of the magnitude of debt-to-GDP reduction or increase (plus changing from line chart to bar chart):

As can be seen from these charts, Clinton basically had handled the debt problem--at lest in the medium run.  Bush came along and utterly destroyed all the progress Clinton had made. The long-run problem is something you don't seem to fully grasp--it's the rising medical costs underlying the explosion of Medicare and Medicaid decades in the future, not in the next ten years.  The problems aren't internal to these programs--they are endemic in the wastefulness of our medical system, not the easy stuff, the utterly useless insurance companies, but the hard stuff due to a systematically distorted incentive structure, resulting in the non-insurance part of this anomaly--chart from an early 2009 diary rerun a month ago as a "Golden Oldie" ("Obama's "mandate" to slash Medicare, Medicaid & Social Security"):

Getting rid of the insurance sector--not a public option, but full-scale single-payer--would save about $1,500 per capita, meaning we would no longer be dramatically more expensive than everyone else.  But where we need to be is another $1,000 cheaper when we come to have an elder population mix comparable to Germany, Italy and Japan.  That's the real challenge of health care reform so far as debt reduction is concerned. And we're only going to get there if we challenge the entire way that this debate is structured and framed right now, including the framing of this in terms of debt itself being the problem.

The basic problem is that conservatives want to destroy the federal government, and if that destroys everything else in America, that's just fine with them.  If you don't talk about how fiscally irresponsible the Republicans are, and discredit them totally, you will never solve the problem we face, except on their terms... in which case, the "solution" is even worse than the problem.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Thank you. (0.00 / 0)
You saved me from a long string of [expletive delete].  I was just about ready to lose it.



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i agree with where you're coming from (0.00 / 0)
but if not now, then at some point - and we will reach that point if we haven't already - the fiscal irresponsibility + the two party system = the actual problem coming to be real.  And it has to be dealt with, one way or the other.  i think this definitely does NOT mean giving into the whole framework that caused the problem or allowed it to metastasize (i.e. the clinton solution) but it does mean recognising that there is an economcis to this and analysing it.

but i think it's also totally reasonable to argue with the economics of it all - 'debt' is not a probel;m - 'not being able to get credit' 'insolvency' 'ceding geopolitical control because of debt' - those are problems - for the u.s. government anyway.

frankly, i think that if some steps aren't taken now, what's left of the new deal / great society programmes that should have been lauded as american politics' most progressive and beneficial steps are going to be wiped out.  we need some strategery, but the evidence-based kind.


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I'm Not Saying The Problem Isn't Real (4.00 / 2)
I'm saying the problem isn't the debt.  Oh, sure, things would be a whole lot better if Reagan hadn't won, and we just kept on lowering the debt-to-GDP ratio as we had done almost continually since WWII.  Or if Bush hadn't stolen the 2000 election, and we could have used the Clinton surpluses to do needed long-term investment.  But even so, our current debt levels and future trajectory are not problems in themselves, but only as part of a larger hegemonic context.  And it's that context that's the real problem.

The "solutions" that Mike points to are all well and good, but they don't challenge the hegemonic context, except around the edges--at the same time that they actually reinforce it by accepting "the debt" as "the problem".

frankly, i think that if some steps aren't taken now, what's left of the new deal / great society programmes that should have been lauded as american politics' most progressive and beneficial steps are going to be wiped out.  we need some strategery, but the evidence-based kind.

That's quite true.  But it's not because of the debt.  It's because the GOP does hegemonic warfare, and the Dems do not.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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well yeah (4.00 / 1)
but if someone keeps stepping on your foot, eventually you're going to have a broken foot, even if the basic problem is that they're an a$$hole.

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Agreed - but (0.00 / 0)
let's look at this in a slightly different way.

There are far too many people who simply believe that it's self-evident that Democrats cause deficits and Republicans cut them.  No amount of statistics can move these folks.  These are the people who could watch that idiot Congressman from Texas on Chris Matthews last night assert that Obama didn't inherit a deficit from Bush, he inherited it from a Democratic Congress - and be convinced by this "logic".

These people need a two-by-four upside the head to be woken up.  For them, I recommend Michael Lind's Deficit Dodo piece in Salon today, about which I posted a Quick Hit.

But as I said, I agree with you.  So I see nothing contradictory about using both approaches.


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It's The Hegemony, Stupid! (No, not you, sTiVo) (4.00 / 2)
There are far too many people who simply believe that it's self-evident that Democrats cause deficits and Republicans cut them.  No amount of statistics can move these folks.

Thirty years of non-stop, unanswered brainwashing will do that to people.  What's a few charts on the internet compared to all that?

We need hegemonic struggle.  We need institution building that will produce torrents of reality-based counter-propaganda.

There is no magic bullet for this, folks. It takes a magic bullet industry to fight this stuff.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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30? (0.00 / 0)
that seems an understimate :D

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It Wan't Always Non-Stop (0.00 / 0)
It just seems that way.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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i know (0.00 / 0)
just my ongoing efforts to say it's not just republican or FIRE hegemony - there are ideologies that can be said to have been hegemonic or near-hegemonic (like white supremacy or expansionist nationalism or consumerism or classism or anti-communism) as well in the u.s. for a long long long time.  i haven't read it, but i have heard that aristide zollberg's 'a nation by design' is a good if unremarkable account of how policy has directly shaped the social, ethnic, and other aspects of american society (in this case through immigration policy).

You find the red scare interesting - did you know someone was shot at a baseball game for not standing up during the national anthem.  and how many know that the united states actually had troops in the soviet union during the civil war?  the fruit's just ripened, but the tree's been growing for a while now.


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Ultimately, the best thing progressives can do (4.00 / 5)
is frame economic arguments in terms of the effect on humans and not things (profits, resources, deficits.)  There should be an eye to reducing the deficits as Mike says, but as always the devil is in the details.  An economy with 20% unemployment can remain profitable if the remaining workforce is productive enough (ie - underpaid and overworked continually), but for any sensible minded person this is nuts.  So when we discuss deficit reduction and economics as progressives, we should have some sort of "human index" that measures the effect on people's well being.  

Cutting AG subsidies can effect X wealthy farm owners or XX welathy/small farm owners, based on how it is done.  Therefore, the "human index" for the first would be higher (better) and lower (worse) for the second version.  More people affected adversely = lower human index.

This is a great way to turn the tides of the class war and tax the rich fairly.  When you can show that taxing the top 1% an extra 10% with a human index of say .99 versus taxing the lower 90% an extra 2% at a human index of .14 makes a compelling argument for why taxing the rich is, well, better for everyone.  When discussing numbers and percentages, there are myriad ways for the rich to turn those dry, unimaginable statistics to their advantage - why not cleverly use numbers to their detriment?  Progressives need to use things like this to redefine the debate and use statistics that work to our advantage by their very definition.

Otherwise, we'll always get hoodwinked in the system as it exists today.


i agree with much of this (4.00 / 1)
maybe out of a cautious sensibility or maybe because it just doesn't feel right to constantly have cycles of democratic  deficit reduction and republican debt ballooning.  I think that if you take your point and paul's point together, you get an assertive progressive strategy on debt and financial irresponsibility (not the deficit - which of itself is whatever - it's the longer term debt that's the bigger issue).

that way, we can start doing things like REALLY pointing to the financial (and economic) cost of this war, of a lack of health care for people (my economics professor points out that single payer healthcare is a massive subsidy for companies in that they get the benefits fo a productive work force, less sick days, etc.), the benefits of having a good reputation (people want to come here, not burn american flags), etc.

However, I think it's best to be a bit clearer that there are short, medium, and long term problems and get a strategy that tries to have them complement each other - i think the obama administration's short term strategy is inadequate because it doesn't spend enough - or rather spend in the right places - too much on the financial sector and not enough on the underlying base of the economy - workers.  And I think the long term strategy is inadequate because it focuses so heavily on cost reduction without fundamentally tackling the social and political problems like some of the ones paul pointed to - the inordinate benefits the insurance sector gets to the cost of everyone else, icnluding the economy as a whole.

And i dno't really see a medium term strategy - i think obama at laest has some of the right sensibilities- or within the range anyway, based on what he's said recently, but he's doing a poor job of getting all his ducks in order and marching in the same direction.  part of it is his overreliance on discredited (or should be discredited) technocrats, but part of it is a simple unwillingness to confront not just republicans, but the political forces that underlie american politices - big finance, big insurance, corporate rule, lack of worker organising and its replacement with church based organising, dissembling to the umpteenth degree (okay, he's making progress on combating this one :)

in other words, don't concede the economic point - which is valid - or could be, given current patterns - with the much bigger political point - there are obstructionists and rent seekers that are destroying america - and I'm not just talking about the republican party or the supreme court, but the underlying social forces they have or did represent at one point - like goldman sachs.

but that gets you back to the basic political problem - the democrats have largely been captuerd by the same itnerests - so what do you do to avoid a long term decline because both parties are unwilling or unable to solve any real problems, long or short term, let alone come up with a coherent strategy for doing so?  i would suggest some institutional reform :)


Besides the military (4.00 / 3)
there's a huge budgetary sinkhole in the criminal justice system. The Administration's budget proposal, rather than cutting back in this sector, calls for construction of MORE prisons.



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both are two of the few economically dynamic sectors in the u.s. (0.00 / 0)
that's part of the problem. see paul's point or dkmich or others on how this is a priorities question, not a debt/deficit question.  but it won't be easy - aren't there whole communities built around prison revenue and military bases and the such?  i'm asking - i don't know.

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Can't speak to politics but Prof. Galbraith's economics are correct (4.00 / 2)
The problem in terms of economics is that we are use to the dominant economic orthodoxy that is taught in Econ 101.

What Prof. Galbraith talks about is a very progressive and alternative economic viewpoint: one that focuses on FULL EMPLOYMENT. There's a word you don't hear about in Washington.

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Another Issue to Consider (4.00 / 3)
I've read the US economy is overly-dependant on the financial services industry and the military-industrial complex. Say we shrink those two chunks of the economy, what happens? Part of the solution needs to be an explicit industrial policy that replaces bloated parts of the economy (e.g. financial services, military industrial) with sustainable parts of the economy, for example, manufacturing that supports a multi-decade rebuilding of our infrastructure.

I'd also agree framing is key. But I would go primitive: people get that taxpayers pay for roads, courts, education, research, police, fire, and all that. They get that without these capabilities there would be zero wealth. So taxing the wealthiest (say, dollars above five million in a year) to repay taxpayers and fund future infrastructure and future wealth is an easy concept to convey.

In addition, as Paul notes with the charts, the media and the public need to be educated about the basics of the economy and deficits. Today, for example, the Times has a story, "Deficits May Alter U.S. Politics and Global Power," which is almost pure Republican Pete Peterson agitprop. And it's from a supposedly serious journalism outfit.


Investing In Green Infrastructure (4.00 / 2)
Not the piddling amounts Obama is talking about, but exactly as you indicate--as a wholesale replacement for major wasteful (or even destructive) chunks of the economy--is exactly what's needed now.  We do indeed have an enormous infrastructure deficit, and while much of it is replacement and repair of "conventional" infrastructure, we ought to to looking at everything possible to make the repalcements as green as possible, and we ought to be doing everything possible to synergize that replacement and  repair effort with building new green infrastructure for the future.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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The 30 Year Treasury Bond rate is 4.56% (4.00 / 4)
Deficits are neither good nor bad.  The bottom-line question is whether the US Government can still borrow long term at a reasonable rate.  At 4 1/2% it makes sense to borrow even if you would only get a 5% return.

If you could borrow at that rate, wouldn't you?  In fact, wouldn't you borrow as much as you possibly could?

If the rate climbs and US securities begin to crowd out other investment, then we have a problem.  But not now.

The "Chinese" are a bogeyman.  There's an old saying:  "Lend a little you have a debtor; lend a lot and you have a partner."  There is no reason to believe that the Chinese would submarine the value of their own investments.  Quite the opposite.

Deficit reduction makes no economic sense.  While I understand that, as Mike demonstrates, deficit reduction could lead to accomplishing some progressive goals, that is not why deficit fearmongering has been employed.

Deficit fearmongering has been a conservative crowbar to attack social spending programs for decades.  Of course, they always took Defense spending off the table leaving social programs to bear the brunt of "necessary" cutbacks.

I never trusted the conservatives on this, and Obama has given zero indication that he and his bankers are any more deserving of such trust.


"If you could borrow at that rate, wouldn't you? In fact, wouldn't you borrow as much as you possibly could?" (0.00 / 0)
see: carry trade

There is no reason to believe that the Chinese would submarine the value of their own investments.  Quite the opposite.

No, they will correct the error that they have made so that if the U.S. doesn't correct its long term economic (not fiscal) policies, they won't be caught in the same bind that they're in now, holding tons of currency that they can't pull out of because they would lose a lot of money.  and i'll bet if you look at the stats, you either already or will see a lot of diversification out of dollars.

the basic point being, you can't live in imaginary speculative enormous future returns land forever, regardless of whether you're progressive or conservative, keynesian or friedmanite.  You can definitely go too far in the other directin (ie. put restoring credibility as a goal above all else), but when debt has started to climb and climb and climb as a percentage of gdp, i would suggest either we do something about it or we start doing what the rich have done for 20 odd years and try to get the alleged peace dividend (or really- take it back).

either way is fine with me - but let's not pretend that things will go on forever like this.


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I'm not sure the labl fetish helps us (see also polling fetish) (0.00 / 0)
the question is not what is "progressive", but what would you do if you were in charge?

Here's my outline:

1: Guaranteed employment with guaranteed subsistence pay

2: Massive investment in the economy of the future

3: Restore a sense of justice and law to the economy: tax the ever living stuffing out of the rich

4: Default on the debt via inflation

So I guess it all boils down to inflate while hammering the rich.


Absolutely cut the deficit! (4.00 / 2)
Get the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan this very instant.  Riase taxes on the uber rich.   Cut the defense, homeland security, and Pentagon budgets in half immediately.   I would absolutely support each and everyone of those cuts!

They're asking for another four years -- in a just world, they'd get 10 to 20. ~~ Dennis Kucinich  

this train has left the station (4.00 / 1)
we do need to be making a case about this general subject, as you and the other folks here have described. but as to this:

Progressives should begin talking now about our own common sense plan for dealing with the deficit, so that we don't have to be on political defense for the next decade and beyond.

beyond, maybe, but the next decade looks pretty much lost. when you have Obama making arguments as Digby describes:

Obama is in New Hampshire saying again that the deficits are a huge current problem and that the government needs to pull in its belt just like families are doing with their budgets all over the country. The government can't afford to keep buying all these "extras" in times of economic crisis(although he didn't spell out exactly know what those are.) He said something about how the Republicans wanted to buy a boat but refused to fix the boiler. And we don't need to fix the bathroom if its still working either. (Also Paygo is awesome and all problems are caused by people playing politics as usual and a lack of bipartisanship.)

He made a good joke pointing out that the congressional deficit commission, which he endorsed, didn't pass because seven Republicans who had originally sponsored the bill didn't vote for it. The audience laughed uproariously. It was pretty funny, especially if you really do believe that cutting entitlements should be a big priority and that the only way to accomplish that is by circumventing the normal democratic process. Which he apparently does since he later made the point that we need "an honest conversation" about entitlements in order to deal with these deficits. Bipartisanly, of course.

and even this is more sensible than some of the things coming out of the mouths of other Democrats in DC.

as you have pointed out before, whether we like it or not, in public perception, the left is yoked to Obama and the Democrats in Congress. the arguments that they are making now will constrain anything that they say or do through the rest of Obama's term(s). they're stuck with these foolish equations of Federal finances and family budgets.

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


"foolish equations of Federal finances and family budgets" Exactly! (0.00 / 0)
This stupid comparison has to be corrected, not simply reused. Dems should point out that this is an unusual family that has a very high credit rating all around the world, and also lots of real estate to back any debts up. So, that's not like the situation that people face in their own lifes, where banks stop giving credits.

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I support deficit reduction in principle (4.00 / 2)
and I'm sure everyone here does too, but the issue is how.  If deficit reduction is always going to be on social services and never on defense or the rich, how is that fair or wise?

Also, the whole narrative needs to change.  People always blame the deficit on "out of control government spending", and most people seem to be ignorant of the actual breakdown of the federal budget and think that government spends the most on welfare and foreign aid.  We first need to educate people on how government spending does so much good for so many, then we need to shift the frame from "out of control government spending" to "rich greedy bastards refusing to pay their fair share to their country."


"what progressives can do" lol (4.00 / 1)
sorry, that's too funny.  

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