Filibuster reform vote count: "young turks" pushing reform

by: Chris Bowers

Mon Mar 29, 2010 at 15:05


It doesn't seem like younger Senators are happy with the way THE GREATEST DELIBERATIVE BODY IN THE WORLD operates:

Faced with what they're calling a "broken" system, a band of Senate Democratic newcomers are vowing to change the way the world's greatest deliberative body does business. These "young turks" -- "young" being relative in a body in which 60 is considered middle-aged -- are pushing to revamp the decades-old rules that govern the Senate.

Their targets include long-held senatorial courtesies such as the "hold" and the seniority system that awards chairmen's gavels solely on tenure. Ultimately, some want to modify or eliminate the most potent of all senatorial weapons: the filibuster.

Some of the older Senators don't like it:

Calling the newcomers' approach "grossly misguided," Sen. Robert C. Byrd (D-W.Va.), who is 92 and the longest-serving lawmaker in the history of Congress, said the Senate is designed to protect the rights of all, not just those who won the last election.

"Extended deliberation and debate -- when employed judiciously -- protect every senator, and the interest of their constituency, and are essential to the protection of the liberties of a free people," Byrd, who was first elected in 1958, wrote in a letter to colleagues last month.

Somehow, these objections from Robert Byrd--who is actually favoring filibuster reform even as he objects to it--are not persuading younger Senators.  Democratic Senators who first entered the senate after the 2006 or 2008 elections are holding meetings, as a group, on how to change the rules.  While we don't know who has attended, and what has been discussed at, these meetings, freshman Maryland Senator Ben Cardin confirms the meetings have frequently taken place:

"I think the Senate needs to operate more fairly and efficiently than it does today," said Sen. Ben Cardin (Md.), a Democrat elected in 2006.

"We've had frequent discussions between our two classes as to ways we think we can add to traditions of the Senate and make sure we get our work done," said Cardin.

Among Senators not included in the most recent update to the filibuster reform vote count, at least Ben Cardin, Debbie Stabenow, and Mark Warner appear to be involved in these discussions.  That pushes the number of Senators publicly favoring, or at least considering, some sort of filibuster reform to at least 25, and as many as 30.  The full details of the count can be seen in the extended entry.

At this point, at long as Democrats maintain control of the Senate in 2011, the question no longer seems to be "if" there will be procedural reform, but what sort of reform will happen. Even though I have only been about to find 30 public statements in favor of reform, there are probably a lot more than 25-30 Democratic Senators in the reform camp, given the following four factors:

  1. All potential Democratic Majority Leaders (Durbin, Reid and Schumer) have endorsed "some sort" of reform (although Durbin favors a 51-vote Senate);
  2. Freshman Dems are frequently meeting to try and hash out some sort of reform but only 10 of the 22 freshman have made it known publicly that they are involved in these discussions;
  3. Even those opposed to eliminating the filibuster, such as Feingold and Byrd, are still in favor of ending the "painless" filibuster and forcing talk-a-thons;
  4. The right-wing and left-wings of the caucus appear to be equally supportive of reform.
There really isn't any public group of Democratic Senators coherently arguing against changing Senate procedural rules.  The question isn't if reform will happen, but rather what shape reform will take.

Full count in the extended entry.

Chris Bowers :: Filibuster reform vote count: "young turks" pushing reform
Filibuster Reform Whip Count
Among relevant current and potential Senators, there are at least 25, and as many as 30, supporters of reform

50 Senators who are currently safe bets for being in Senate in 2011

Potential Senators in 2011

Note: While Evan Bayh also favors some sort of filibuster reform, he is retiring and the opportunity for reform comes on the first day the Senate is in session in 2011.  On that day, only 50 votes, plus the Vice-President, are required to change Senate rules.  Right now, depending on the outcome of the 2010 elections, among Senators who will be around in 2011, there are at least 25, and as many as 30, in favor of some sort of reform.

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High Time They Brought The Senate Into The 19th Century (4.00 / 1)
Heck, maybe even the 21st, if they start calling "whip counts" something snappier, like "taser counts."

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Majority Leader (0.00 / 0)
is Reid guaranteed to be the Majority Leader if he wins re-election?

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I would think so (0.00 / 0)
There's no law saying they have to, of course, but it seems like an awfully safe bet.  

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I hope we get something (0.00 / 0)
Wapo article:  "Anderson argued, as Udall does, that the rules should be changed every two years at the start of a new Congress by a simple majority vote."

This seems to imply that this is not the case now.  But Openleft has stated a few times that at the start of new congress they vote on the rules by simple majority.  What gives?


Even a "painful filibuster" will be a huge improvement over what we have now (0.00 / 0)
I kinda want there to be a painful filibuster rather than a straight abolition or a Harkin-style threshold reduction, simply because it'll amuse me to see if Republicans (or Democrats, for that matter) will actually bother to talk all day, and if so to what extent.

I'd also like to see the 60-vote requirement change to a 41-vote requirement, so that the filibustering Senators have to actually show up.  I don't know how feasible that is though.


I don't see Gillibrand on the list, will get to work on her (4.00 / 1)
From here in Albany she looks like a solid favorite to win.
She is a chameleon, has taken on progressive coloration as a Senator from NY.

She needs to here from the progressive base on this, a key to progress on every front.
Thx for the heads up.

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