The Fox News effect on the Republican base

by: Adam Bink

Tue Apr 06, 2010 at 18:00


Here's David Frum, interviewed by Terry Moran on ABC News:

Moran: "It sounds like you're saying that the Glenn Becks, the Rush Limbaughs, hijacked the Republican party and drove it to a defeat?"

Frum: "Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us and now we're discovering we work for Fox. And this balance here has been completely reversed. The thing that sustains a strong Fox network is the thing that undermines a strong Republican party."

Asked recently to elaborate by Howie Kurtz, Frum said:

What that means is that Fox, like Limbaugh, has an interest in pushing the Republicans to the margins, making people angry. When people are angry and alienated, they don't vote. They succumb to feelings of helplessness. What people need right now are feelings of power, that they can make a difference by participating in politics.

What doesn't make a lot of sense to me about this is that you can point to Glenn Beck, his 9/12 project and the teabaggers, and say if there is a fired-up-and-ready-to-go end of the spectrum for his crowd, they are on the fired-up end, starting with the NY-23/Doug Hoffman race and involvement in the Scott Brown race. Lately, I've been talking to a number of candidates and folks on the ground in Dem congressional races, and it seems every other one tells me how their Republican opponent has a teabagger primary opponent, or one closely affiliated with them like Marco Rubio. That even goes for some Senators like Bob Bennett. On top of that, multiple candidates are trying to paint themselves as the "teabagger" candidate. This past week, in New York State, businessman and all-around jackass Carl Paladino from my hometown of Buffalo both spoke at a big teabagger rally as well as announced his run for governor by showing the clip of Howard Beale from the film Network and then quoting him in his announcement speech "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" at his rally full of teabaggers. CA-Sen candidate and Assemblyman Chuck DeVore has reached out to the teabaggers, getting the Tea Party Express endorsement late last month. Far from staying home, teabaggers are running, fielding candidates and even making themselves appear influential to other candidates not closely tied with them.

Not only that, there is evidence demonstrating how Fox News inspires the teabaggers themselves. Check out this report from Media Matters, which has even documented both (a) how teabaggers have proudly listed FNC contributors as sponsors and speakers at their events (b) cited Fox News contributors like Beck as inspiration (c) how closely affiliated Beck, Sean Hannity and others are with the events, from encouraging people to attend to speaking and broadcasting live at events all over the country, and doing so with success.

Perhaps Frum is referring to a different set of Republicans who watch Fox- some of the rank-and-file who will never be engaged in political action and are driven to stay home, perhaps- but when I look at the crowd Glenn Beck and Fox News has influenced, I see anything but people who don't vote and succumb to feelings of helplessness.

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Yeah, like David "Axis of Evil" Frum has never used demagogic speech to get people angry. (0.00 / 0)
Frum's newest trope is aimed squarely at those who need to find a way to differentiate themselves from the nuttiest wing of their won party. He was more than capable of employing the same tactics for which he now chides FOX, back when he worked for Bush.

the first half of the Frum excerpt is right (4.00 / 4)
even if the second half is a bit off. The popularity of Fox among Republicans is forcing their "leaders" to be angry, yell a bit and be oafish in general. This hurts them not because Beck fans don't vote but because a lot of Republicans think those screamers are kind of idiotic. So the moderates don't vote or even cast votes for Dems.

I'd also add (4.00 / 3)
that the Axis of Limbaugh/Beck/Fox has a vested interest in having the GOP remain a minority party.  The GOP losing elections is good for Fox (at least as long as the Democrats are led by corporation-friendly Third-Way Democrats who will enact Republican-friendly policies).

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David Frum Is A Jackass (4.00 / 5)
He says one semi-insightful thing...for a conservative, and it gets mega-play...because he's a conservative.

But that's it.  He's used up his semi-insightful quota.

What else did anyone expect?

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We'll know that Democrats and progressives have turned a corner (4.00 / 10)
when we stop getting do damn excited because some Republican or conservative makes a point for us. (For the record, this is related to Paul's point, not Adam's.)

It strikes me that the times when the Democrats get the most spine in terms of advancing the progressive ball, it's because some conservative gave us a quote we can use as a weapon.  Those weapons are not nearly as effective as people think at convincing (or quieting) Republicans, but they do seem to give Democrats some confidence.  

It's the confidence we need, not the support from the other side.  

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Excellent Point! (4.00 / 2)
Of course, it's also the media coverage we need, too.

But we're never going to get the media coverage if we don't get the confidence first.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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You dare slander (0.00 / 0)
the guy who coined 2/3 of "Axis of Evil"?!?

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Yeah but it's so cool when they score a self-goal (0.00 / 0)
And these days they're doing it almost by the hour, and Frum is at least honest (more like frustrated) enough to call it.

Lesbondagegate!
Hiking in Appalachia!
Mommy paid off my mistress!
Secession I say I say I say!
Half Guv Half Wit
Mr. Rogers
I'm no maverick and you can't make me!

Oh the hilarity!

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Yes, Frum is a sidebar; but Beck is seriously dangerous (4.00 / 1)
http://www.campusprogress.org/...

A side by side comparison of Glenn Beck, he of the weird, crazy mentally bizarre speeches, and those broadcast by RTLM (Radio-Télévision Libres des Milles Collines), "vicious hate speech during the Rwandan genocide. Staffed exclusively by Hutus, the RTLM's "news" briefs were bad enough that foreign governments considered jamming the station's signal in order to mitigate the Tutsi massacre. Ultimately, they didn't, as they were worried about being branded speech-deniers, and hundreds of thousands of Tutsis were killed in the genocide."

What follows in the article is a point for point detailling of the chilling similarities in bizarre rhetoric between Beck and the Hutu propagandists. I'm not entirely certain of whose theory of propaganda Beck is subscribing to (not exactly Bernays or Goebbels) but it would be worth tracking it down. It is clearly intended to appeal to people who are already very irrational, not to say mentally ill, and its consequences may prove extremely severe. The man should not be on the air, free speech be damned.


Are the teabagger candidate winning primaries at all? (4.00 / 3)
From where I sit, it seems like they aren't.  They lost the NY-23 primary.  They lost the Texas governor's primary to über-establishment Rick Perry.  Yes, there has been a lot of talk about them.  That talk has caused the establishment to alter its behaviour somewhat.  But it seems like the teabagger movement has kind of peaked and fizzled.  

Too Narrow A View, I Think (4.00 / 2)
We live in a Rorschach Test age.  It's not just Obama, the Tea Baggers, too, take on a good deal of the "eye of the beholder", so I think it's best to withhold judgment.

Movements like this often have complicated dynamics.  Perry actually appealed to them what with his secession talk, so the fact that they actually fielded their own candidate even after his pandering can't simply be taken as a sign of decline.

I'm not saying you're wrong--and, indeed, insofar as you're countering a simplistic assumption I would support you.  (Hey, I mean it.  I gave you a "4".)  It's just that I wouldn't make the contrary simplistic assumption either.


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I think the parallel to us is probably somewhat apt (0.00 / 0)
They are building infrastructure, and they are having a sudden, exciting burst, much like the Kos/MoveOn crowd had in 2003-2004, making a big fundraising splash and a big, sudden impression.  But like the Kos/MoveOn explosion, I think they are going to ultimately come up short, especially since the republican establishment is even better financed and entrenched than the Democratic one.  

It's a lot of enthusiasm and support, certainly.  I just don't think it's enough to dominate--just enough to scare the establishment until they figure out how to use them.  Perry's secession fig leaf might be the beginning.  As might some more clever dog whistle type stuff.  


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Same but different (0.00 / 0)
Remember that demographic shifts are killing the Republican party.  If we "energize the base" like they did for so many years, it'll work and work even better.  If they repeat the same strategy, they'll just accelerate their retreat to permanent minority status.

Because of their story about Goldwater ultimately saving the Republican party after decades (and because they are insane), they will keep this up for years until the party has just completely imploded.


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Moderates feel helpless (0.00 / 0)
Look at moderate republicans on fox.  Do they look enthusiastic?  

http://transgendermom.blogspot....

Moderate Republicans? (4.00 / 3)
Did you spot a jackalope recently too?

"Those who stand for nothing fall for anything...Mankind are forever destined to be the dupes of bold & cunning imposture" -- Alexander Hamilton

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Well, I think Republicans are largely single-issue voters (0.00 / 0)
The ones I've noticed seem to be really, REALLY pissed about one or two things.  And they really don't care about other things.  So I've found that they can often be quite moderate on the issues that they don't care about.  That doesn't change that they're not absurd purists about their core issues, though.  

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I was thinking of the one reporter on fox (0.00 / 0)
The one that occasionally disses the fox orthodoxy.

That being said Charlie Crist is getting like 33% of the vote in florida.  Its that 33% of Republicans who are feeling hopeless.


http://transgendermom.blogspot....


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What I would say to that (0.00 / 0)
Is while there may be moderate Republicans who appear on Fox, I think Frum is referring to viewers, in which case while I have no data other than the 2004 polling demonstrating how conservative Fox viewers are, I am doubtful nice Eisenhower-type Republicans are rank and file Fox viewers.

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Frum's War (0.00 / 0)
David Frum is being infinitely rational these days. We just love what he says. But he's talking about 'sane Republicans.' What we remember is the rise of the hysterical religious right, and so the hysterical Teabaggers and their Hate Radio slash Fox News demagogues terrify us. I'm encouraged that Frum is less frightened than we are. It's his side of the aisle to know...

Sorcerer's Apprentice (4.00 / 5)
The Republicans have been whipping up the zoo animals and feeding them bullshit for 30-40 years, and now they're losing control of them. What Frum is worried about is splitting the party and driving away sane conservatives and  low-information centrists. (He's still a bad guy, though, The fact that he's worried is frightening).

Another thing that I think has happened is that, after decades of soundbites, the candidates themselves, the media, and much of the electorate all think only in terms of soundbites. It sort of defeats the purpose of representative democracy if the representatives are exactly as ill-informed, unperceptive, and fanatical as the voters who elected them. Not all, but a fair proportion the the Republicans in Congress are downright dumb.  (For example some of them really believe that the budget can easily be balanced by eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, foreign aid, and welfare spending. Morons are really scarier than liars.)

So the sane Republicans are feeling pretty skittish, and not just because they think the party will be hurt. I think that they understand that these people are dangerous.

The one reassuring thing is that the teabaggers are mostly old. They're not going to be rioting in the streets or joining paramilitary groups.


Resonances (0.00 / 0)
You sound like a historian describing the invention of Newspeak and the founding of Oceania before the Ministry of Truth went to work on his narrative.

One thing that reassures me is that whoever Big Brother turns out to be, he won't turn out to be David Frum. Nothing loves a self-congratulatory asshole, even the party that created him.


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I don't know that the Republicans in Congress are dumb (0.00 / 0)
I think they are just pandering to very dumb people.

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Some are really dumb (0.00 / 0)
I've heard that said about Boehner, for example (by Yglesias). In a lot of high-level political argument you have a sort of juking around, with each sides knowing that the other side knows it's bullshitting. Sometimes guys actually wink at one another.

But a lot of today's Republican Congressmen actually believe what they're saying. Cynics are bad guys, even though they're sometimes funny, but true believers are scary.

Many Republican Congressmen are just front people. The real Republican players aren't dumb.


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