For many, it's food choices, not belief systems

by: Adam Bink

Thu Apr 29, 2010 at 19:30


Delving into food politics and culture for this evening, as we enter the summer grilling season, this vegetarian has noticed two rules of thumb among some carnivorous friends of mine I keep hearing:

1. He doesn't eat meat, so he must not know how to marinate/grill it.

2. I love vegetarian food you make- that roasted butternut squash apple soup is yummy!- but I could never go to a vegetarian restaurant.

On the first, what I think some folks forget is that a lot of vegetarians- I'd even wager most- actually grew up eating, and yes, even cooking, meat. For me, it was 20 whole years. I do know what good chicken, burgers, buffalo wings, polish sausage taste like- heck, once in awhile I can even imagine eating it. Due to my father's impressive marinating skills, I've even got a few recipes up my sleeve, and I can sure handle a grill. Can't say the same for everyone, but no need to assume just because one doesn't like something, it means they don't know what to do with it.

On the second, this is something I noticed in college, but as there have been a couple of no-meat establishments sprung up recently, it's popped back in my head. When I invite people over for dinner, I usually don't tell them I don't serve meat (unless it's a special occasion, like someone's birthday). They usually leave pretty darn full and content with all the dishes I've made. But if I invite them to meet for dinner at a new restaurant that's vegetarian, suddenly it's a whole other world. "I wouldn't know what to eat at a vegetarian restaurant," one friend told me. "But I'm not a vegetarian," said another. True story.

It goes into what I think is perhaps a negative connotation with vegetarianism, that it's an exclusive culture of PETA members who frown at their friend's plates or something. When I was younger and I was in the kind of place where they didn't serve a lot of decent non-meat entrees (salad and pasta with sauce were basically it), I would sometimes literally tell the server I was allergic to meat so as to entice their sympathy and in hopes the chef might whip me up something great. I did that because whenever I told them I was a vegetarian, I got a look of disgust and sometimes an eyeroll, and salad/pasta with sauce is what I ended up with. Again, non-meat might be fine- or even people concerned about their heart choosing to not order red meat for the evening- but vegetarian is like a cult.

It's an interesting food culture in which we live. I think it's important to define vegetarians by their food choices. It's the same food choices as when as you may choose not to eat Chilean sea bass because it's endangered, or choose to cut down on red meat for health reasons. I see it as that more than any kind of label or belief system.

This is an open thread on food culture and your own stories- vegetarians and carnivores alike!- on it.

Adam Bink :: For many, it's food choices, not belief systems

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I don't think it's fair (4.00 / 1)
to define anyone by their food choices. And it's really a bizarre notion of an affluent society to do so.

If you've ever spent much time in developing countries - where the whole notion of "food choices" (except whether you eat or don't eat) is totally unheard of - then you would understand how artificial the idea is that people essentially have the "choice" about what they should or should not eat.

It's true that I can choose not to eat whale meat for my own personal scruples. But that doesn't define me any more than it defines an Inuit who may include whale meat in his diet?

Regarding your difficulty with arranging dining options in DC, why not choose an Indian restaurant where everyone can be pleased?  


Of course, (0.00 / 0)
half of the Indian restaurants I've seen are all-veg, so there you go again :)

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Where do you live? (0.00 / 0)
Even in NYC that's not the case. I really don't believe you.  

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Austin, TX (0.00 / 0)
so yes, a high density of vegetarians

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Ug (0.00 / 0)
What happened to the Austin? I remember from my youth (I grew up in Dallas) great Texas barbecue and fajitas on 6th street.  

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The fajitas are still around (0.00 / 0)
the BBQ is on the outskirts of town--Elgin is more known for it than Austin.  6th is almost exclusively bars today.  

Austin is a much larger place than you remember, certainly--500,000 in town (at least) plus another 100,000 in Round rock.  I think I've seen estimates of the metro area around 2M.  The place has been a magnet for the people that have been alienated by the rest of Texas--it's still more Libertarian and NIMBY than outright left-wing, but still... lots of queer friendly culture, and lots of vegetarianism.  


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Sorry for delay in responding (0.00 / 0)
Busy night last night.

Anyway, Indian is my favorite cuisine, and I do tend to love to go there. It's not a matter of finding a good place to eat in town- lots of those- it's a matter of people being willing to go to a restaurant that doesn't serve meat. I find that frightens some folks who are used to meat consumption as part of a "large meal" like dinner, frankly.

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Generational Attitudes (0.00 / 0)
I've noticed that vegetarianism is much more "in" these days.  I'm old enough to remember that it once was considered a little wierd but I really think that few, if any, of the younger people I know would think that way even among my miswestern family members.  I'm not vegetarian, though I did observe a vegetarian diet for several months once and, yes, I was healthier then (although I smoked cigarettes then also -- yuck).  I have eaten at a few vegetarian restaurants and honest, would never shy away from doing so.  It's harder to make a good vegetarian meal than just grilling a hunk of meat.  If I was still veggie, my pet peeve would be the boring sandwiches that pass as a vegetarian "option."

College Radio (0.00 / 0)
I remember an announcement on the radio back in college.  The Gay and Lesbian Alliance (don't think B was in there yet, the T most definitely not) was putting on a vegetarian dinner for Thanksgiving.  As they put it, "where gays and lesbians can come together to be comfortable with their vegetarianism on Thanksgiving."  That line still makes me smile.  Even getting why it was true and worthwhile, I find the self defining stereotype a bit funny.

Expectations (0.00 / 0)
I remember once there was some stranger in our house.  I forget why, I think he built our deck or was a mover or something, I no longer remember.  Anyway, I mentioned something about how great convection ovens were at cooking steak.  He looked at my wife and me in confusion.  He just assumed were vegetarians.

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Apparently, long hair makes you a vegetarian.


Just a reminder to the vegans here... (4.00 / 1)
Make sure you take b-12 supplements.  There are no non-animal sources for this vital nutrient, so vegans have no way of getting the correct amount without supplementation.  B-12 deficiency is bad... real bad... real, real bad... and the nervous system damage is usually permanent.

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Yes (4.00 / 1)
Even vegetarians who don't consume much dairy or eggs (or fortified soy milk) should consider this. I myself take B-complex supplement often when I can't recall consuming much of those.

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At last, something to sink our teeth into (4.00 / 1)
Cooking is just about my favorite pastime -- if you don't count leftwing bloviating -- and I learned long ago in California that what people will and won't eat isn't much of a hassle if you want to please them, and if you take care to ask them first. I admit I haven't done kosher (genuine kosher isn't trivial, and given the complexity of the rules, not really practical for the non-orthodox) but vegetarian or even vegan isn't a big deal. And to be honest, although both my skills and palate are completely eclectic, so much so that I think I might have been very happy to have been born Chinese, and I'll eat pretty much anything, I honestly can't imagine anyone feeling somehow deprived by having to eat in vegetarian restaurants. Some aren't very good, true, but then neither is Denny's.

My vegetarian and vegan friends have learned to trust me, which I consider a  culinary badge of honor, and in return, I've sworn an oath always to grill the portobellos before I throw on the ribs. As Rodney King once said, can't we all just get along?


Pescaturkatarian (0.00 / 0)
This hits home because I picked up some brocolli crunch at Whole Foods for dinner tonite, got home, and there was bacon in it!  Bacon!  That's offensive on a number of levels.  I'm not Orthodox or Muslim or Hindu, but I'm a vegetarian.  ANY on that list would have been horrified.

Well, I eat some fish, so I'm a pescatarian.  

Well, actually I eat organic free-range turkey once in a while, so I'm a pescaturkatarian.

But bacon?  Several years a go I was volunteering at the local SPCA and took care of a little pot-bellied pig for a day.  It came up to me and wagged its tail and liked being scratched behind the ears and I have not touched red meat since that day.  (It took a while to wean  off of chicken but I think once you have learned about factory farms and thought it through...)

And geting a surprise like this from Whole Foods????

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Oink! (4.00 / 1)
God help us if we ever find out that carrots feel pain. That said, if you fall into a minority demographic, by choice or otherwise, you do have to more or less fend for yourself. (Try finding Belgian endive, for example, in my small-town AZ Safeway, not to mention barberries, or pomegranate molasses.)

A Brahmin friend of mine once told me that in the years when she made frequent business trips to Japan, she had no idea what she could eat at dinners with her Japanese colleagues, until a savvy acquaintance told her to tell everyone that she was a Buddhist. Presto! All was right with the world, until she returned to America.


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"The Secret Life of Plants" (4.00 / 2)
turned me off vegetarianism forever. At least we only eat animals after they're dead!

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Born and raised as a carnivore (4.00 / 1)
had many vegetarian friends (of all varieties) over the years. We've cooked for each other. We've gone out to many dinners at every kind of place imaginable. The issue simply never comes up in any significant way.

On the other hand, a number of folks in my own family have adopted a vegan lifestyle, with the raw foods and ultra fresh and purity tests for practically every food item. They (literally) have a list (on recycled paper, i.e. old envelops, because they don't use mobile devices due to the ColTan mining issues in Central Africa) of restaurants in the cities they visit that have met their standards. They will not eat in a restaurant that will not allow them to tour the kitchen and vegetable storage area. They are concerned if the cheese is stored too close to the leafy greens.

Difference? Some folks are not quite as arrogant and condescending about their lifestyle choices. That's no comment on vegetarians or vegans - I have seen people insist that they be allowed to bring their own burgers into the vegan establishment so that they can join a party. As if ONE MEAL without meat is gonna turn you into a tree-hugging DFH. Evangelical fundamentalists pretty much ALWAYS suck, whether they are pitching religion, nutritional beliefs, or lifestyle choices.



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