Scrooge gets his kicks, everyone else just gets kicked

by: Paul Rosenberg

Tue Jul 20, 2010 at 10:30


Paul Krugman asks:

Is There A Jobs Mystery?

...there's only a big mystery here if you imagined that the Great Recession and its aftermath was going to look like a pre-1990 business cycle, rather than be another postmodern cycle like those of 1990 and 2001.

It's worth looking, in particular, at how productivity across the cycle has changed. I don't have time this morning for a proper treatment, but look at this figure:

If you squint a bit, you can see that before 1990, recessions were generally accompanied by a fall in productivity, mainly because businesses would hang on to workers, so as to be prepared to ramp up production quickly once recovery got underway. After 1990, this "labor hoarding" effect basically vanished; if anything, productivity growth seemed to accelerate in times of weak demand. Partly this may have reflected structural changes in the economy; it might also reflect the (correct) perception that recovery from financial-crisis-induced recessions is much slower than recovery from recessions created by tight money, imposed by the Fed to control inflation.

And of course, it could also reflect broader changes in class power relations, and changing attitudes of the business class.  Any way you slice it, though, squeezing more out of workers during tough times has just got to bring joy to the Scrouge in every businessman. But I digress...

This gets at a broader point: as I see it, one of the problems with policy in the early months of the Obama administration was that top officials (to be fair, like many Wall Street economists) thought of the Great Recession as 1982 redux, rather than as a mega version of 2001.

But there's a deeper problem here.

Paul Rosenberg :: Scrooge gets his kicks, everyone else just gets kicked
It wasn't just that Obama's brain trust was almost 20 years behind the times.  They weren't even considering that it could be more like the Great Depression.  Of course, there's plenty of talk now about how they "pulled us back from the abyss."  But if they really believed it was the abyss, they sure didn't act like it.  They acted like it was 1983 or earlier--but not 1930s earlier.  And yet, the Great Depression wasn't yet the Great Depression at this point in time after the Great Crash. Things looked up for a while, before they headed down, down, down.  

But of course, we all know that Obama's economic team is living in a bubble.  That should be enough to make us all perpetually uneasy, at best.  What's worse, however, is to realize that even the good guys may not have a handle on things.  If you follow Krugman's link above, you find this:

Postmodern recessions

Calculated Risk says much of what I'd say about housing and the prospects for quick economic recovery. But I'd like to offer a bit more analysis.

A lot of what we think we know about recession and recovery comes from the experience of the 70s and 80s. But the recessions of that era were very different from the recessions since. Each of the slumps - 1969-70, 1973-75, and the double-dip slump from 1979 to 1982 - were caused, basically, by high interest rates imposed by the Fed to control inflation. In each case housing tanked, then bounced back when interest rates were allowed to fall again.

Since the mid 1980s, however, we've had the "Great Moderation," with inflation quiescent. Post-moderation recessions haven't been deliberately engineered by the Fed, they just happen when credit bubbles or other things get out of hand.

And while they haven't been as deep as the older type of recession, they've proved hard to end (not officially, but in terms of employment), precisely because housing - which is the main thing that responds to monetary policy - has to rise above normal levels rather than recover from an interest-imposed slump.

That's why I think our current problems will last a long time. CR says 2009; I say 2010.

OMG!  Was Krugman ever really that optimistic? (And, of course, no one considered him an optimist then!)

Do I hear 2011? 2012? 2022?


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The malefactory of great wealth (4.00 / 6)
Dean Baker has been better about the roots of the demand crisis than Krugman has. So has Robert Reich. My economic analysis, such as it is, is derivative of theirs -- I certainly don't have the expertise to do my own, and to the extent that I can check what they say against what I do know, theirs seems to make the most sense. Still, I wonder if any of them really understands the extent to which the political decisions made in the post-Reagan era, which seem to have been intended to undermine the incomes of the working class by any means available, have permanently depressed demand. Are our rulers counting on Chinese consumption, I wonder? Are they waiting for wages across the world to stabilize at the level of China, or even Bangladesh? Do they think that the result will be a quiescent working class, unwilling and unable to challenge them for the right to consume? Do they actually prefer the Chinese model of state-directed predatory capitalism?

My problem is that I just can't figure out the logic of deliberately destroying a political system based on middle-class prosperity. Banana republics are a lot more fragile environment even for the wealthy and powerful to operate in than a social democracy like the United States very nearly was from 1950-1970 or thereabouts. The obvious conclusion is that there is no such logic, that what we're facing is the devil's own tragedy of the commons. Each individual plutocratic pig is making decisions that improve his own situation; the only time he acts in concert with others is when he gets together with them to crow about how successful he's been in crippling the opposition to his predatory successes. In the process, of course, they're turning the U.S. into a bewildered and passive herd of ex-consumers, penned into a police state which sweeps up the cripples who can't keep up with the rest of the herd.

Will anybody, even Bill Gates, actually like what's coming?


And then, of course, there's this: (4.00 / 2)

Top Secret America

I'm tempted to say How stupid do they think we are? but the answer is obvious. Even if we know what they're up to, it won't matter. Knowing what they're up to won't help us, at least not until they're done doing what they do so well.


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Appropos Of Your Last Line (4.00 / 1)
I think the folks who understand this best have been near-future science fiction writers.  Of course the cyberpunks at the dawn of the Reagan era come to mind.  But Octavia Butler's Parable of the Sower (1993) is even more harrowing, and not to be missed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Thanks, Paul (4.00 / 1)
I checked Amazon; sadly, it's not available in e-form, although the paperback is only four bucks. With books all over the damned place -- my bookcases and every spare shelf in my closets are overflowing with them -- I finally bought an e-reader, and promised myself that from now on, it's strictly downloads and the Gutenberg Project for me. Well, that's wonderful and all, but it's also a real pain when something like this comes along, and the impulse buying urge is thwarted.

I might just have to order the paperback after all. I haven't read any science fiction since Ringworld came out (except for Gibson, of course) and I've been thinking that maybe I ought to go back and have a look at the genre. Years ago, in other world, ther was a used bookstore just down the street, run by an old guy who sat on a stool all day, smoking his pipe and making change out of a leather medicine bag. Thousands of sf paperbacks, buy 'em for a dollar -- cash only -- and sell 'em back for 50 cents. My daughter and I used to hang out there all the time. I remember her staggering back home with a pile of books she could barely carry. Great days.


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Bill - you've just said it far more eloquently (4.00 / 3)
and in far more detail than the way I've always said it, which is: These assholes (the super rich) are sitting in a tree sawing off the very branch that they're sitting on. They seem to think their money and power will allow them to keep sawing at that branch forever and it's never going to fall.

Will anybody, even Bill Gates, actually like what's coming?

A question I ask all the time. Clearly, they don't see how a thriving middle class improves the quality of their lives, too. Calling it short-sighted is an understatement of epic proportions.


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I think you miss the point (4.00 / 1)
If you try to see the logic of destroying the middle class,and well, everyone else that isn't in the top 0.5% (or smaller) of the wealthy aristocrats from your perspective, you never see it.

But, IF you thought you (and your family) were wealthy and powerful enough to survive as an aristocrat without anyone else but serfs and indentured servants, you might pertain to a different logic.

For a of his "altruism", Gates still made his pile of cash at the expense of those that lived in the places he acquired the raw materials to build his computers and those underpaid to build them. IF he can get the contract to build the computers that will run the police state - do you think he'd say no?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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No, the point missed me (4.00 / 1)
I didn't think it necessary to consider a logic based on deluded premises. Interesting, perhaps, but irrelevant, or at least it will be soon enough.

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Yes! (0.00 / 0)
My secret's out.  I'm sleep deprived in the run-up to Netroots Nation.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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But it was a "happy" accident, see my comment below! n/t (0.00 / 0)


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I'm betting Paul just accidentally inverted (4.00 / 2)
the "o" and the "r", turning scourge into the new word "scrouge". But that's OK, because for these drastic times we're living in, we need a new word that combines "Scrooge" and "scourge", and now we have it!

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The Poetic Unconscious Strikes Again! (4.00 / 1)
Indeed!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Just (4.00 / 1)
It wasn't just that Obama's brain trust was almost 20 years behind the times.  They weren't even considering that it could be more like the Great Depression.

It also wasn't just Obama's brain trust that was wrong.  No one considered a respectable economist by the Democrats got this right either (or if they did, that was cause for kicking them out of the club.) The same hold true for the key Democratic players outside of the White House.  

That is not a defense of the White House or their economic team, but it's still important to note.

This is important, because if those people had been pushing back, it would have been far more difficult for the admin to do what they did.  And that matters because it would be far more easy to influence Democrats in Congress or in the states than it would be to influence the White House.  

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


Emergency Operating Mode (0.00 / 0)
I wrote this piece in response to Paul's earlier post: http://www.openleft.com/diary/...  Unfortunately the time to post answer on things seems to have been shortened to just a week or two, which is not a good idea, especially on critical, live topics.

Fortunately, the same concept I discuss applies here or any aspect of the economy, as the underlying cancer:

We fight to overcome rulers trying to gut SS, and other spending, but we have to do that as an emergency measure. That's what they call it, when all one is doing is killing snakes and putting out fires...

By the time that's handled, if it gets handled, the next emergency will surface, where we'll have to act on it, leaving us, in the long run with no time to  

to re-establish a rational political discourse.  The first is a short-term emergency.  The second will naturally be a more long-term endeavor.

If we do, however, the rational political discourse, takes place in their labyrinth, their game, their rules.
The government is the only entity that can really spend in order to supply the economy with enough money to function, by attempting to match the productive capacity, and fund it. The government borrows by issuing more bonds, which are sold to the people... actually, to the wealthy, because the rest of the people aren't making enough to buy the kind of volume in government securities to cover any budget deficit.

The deficit created to TARP the banks, and bail out the mega-corps, and the stimulus for Main Street, filtered through the same banking community, seems to be acceptable to the rulers. We got two pools, one to take the bath, and the other to hold the refill water for the bath. Now the filler tub is now bigger than the bath tub; that's the banking and financial community. To keep their health, there's got to be enough money in their tub to keep the gambling casinos (financial markets) with enough liquid to facilitate the continued trading/gambling, and get some of the splashing to fall into the real economy bath tub.

They don't produce anything; they just pass money back and forth, and eventually can't multiply the bail out money enough to maintain the market margins. Every transaction produces GDP, and gives us the illusion that we are making progress. But there isn't one stitch of new wealth in the physical world... just bigger numbers for the same level of production.

Well, now that we borrowed from the population to pay the rich, we don't have the right to borrow from the population to fill the bath tub, where the real economy is. We must lean up and flight right.

That is our discourse; how to fill the bath tub, without having to drain some from the filling bucket, which is now two thirds the size of the bath tub. Just more fires and more snakes, when the core of the message should be: Monetary reform should return the power to create money and credit to the people, as their constitutional right, and away from private banking and their secret shenanigans.

When the mega-corps, financial communities are backed off into their proportionately correct state as an economic entity, they will not have the kind of money to suborn the politicians that work for them in Congress.

That story has been told before... but it has to be brought again and again to the forefront of people as a mantra, because it's the way to make it real. People can't be reasoned into understanding it. I know; as a teacher of twenty year, repetition was the best way to create reality; only then could the reality be explained.

A National Progressive Alliance, is the only viable solution.

http://www.openleft.com/diary/...






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