Elite Versailles horror of populism, part 2,356,781

by: Paul Rosenberg

Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 10:30


Yesterday, in Quick Hits, Mark Matson linked to an article at the American Prospect, "Forget Populism", which is, essentially, a direct attack on one of the Prospect's founders, Robert Kuttner [who is singled out by name], and which would be far more at home in the New Republic.  The article, by one Kevin Mattson, reads like your typical, standard-issue anti-populist screed: populists are angry; anger is bad; angry people can get elected, but they can't govern; the people are stupid, and I'm smart; so go back to sleep; nothing to see hear; move along.

Such screeds are invariably deeply dishonest.  For one thing, they are everything bad that they accuse populists of being, except that they use a different linguistic mode.  But if one looks beyond the style to the substance, one finds all the demonization commonly attributed to populists, and virtually none of the sober-minded, responsible rationalism claimed as a birthright by their critics.  They invariably refuse to take populism seriously, resorting to sneering just when they ought to be thinking [emphasis added]:

Populism's simplicity is its central fault. Its philosophical premise -- if there is such a thing -- is that "the people" are the embodiment of virtue, uncorrupted by power and wealth the way elites are.

But, of course, this sneered-at premise is almost self-evidently true in the sense that populists express it. The original populists of the 1880s and 1890s did not cause the severe and systemic economic distress that afflicted them, and so much more of the nation: The elites did, even though they did it mostly unwittingly, babbling along about the wonders of they system even as it impoverished millions of the most hardworking people it was supposed to benefit. Not all members of the elite were responsible, of course, but the elites of business, politics and civic affairs all collectively failed as a class to ensure that the Constitution's mandate was fulfilled: to promote the general welfare.

However much self-congratulatory anti-populists prattle on about their own superiority, they never seem to get around to grappling with the objective failures that give rise to populism in the first place.  Nor do they even use a consistent standard when they argue that populism is a failure. Typically,  Mattson argues that populism didn't work, because Populists failed to gain political power.  Following some quotes of Populist rhetoric, he writes:

Good stuff. Yet it didn't work, not even back then. The Populist Party won slim margins in 1892 and suffered the fate of most third parties in America (in this case fusing with the Democrats before crumbling); Bryan lost the 1896 election.

He then pretends to go beyond this crass dismissal:

Paul Rosenberg :: Elite Versailles horror of populism, part 2,356,781
But let us imagine for a moment that the Populists had won. Would their rhetoric have saved them from the difficulties that lay ahead, allowing them to institute reforms in the interest of the people?

However, he never actually answers the question, instead indulging in a brief moment of pondering, "what is populism, anyway?" and then deciding it's irrelevant, because of the emergence of rightwing populism after left-wing populism had crushed or coopted.  The intellectual dishonesty of this argument is breathtaking--but surely almost invisible to the likes of the author and his class:

Historians have debated the meaning of the original populist movement for years. Some, like Larry Goodwyn and the late Christopher Lasch, believed populists were democratic yet reactionary, hoping to block progress and preserve petty-bourgeois ownership against the onslaught of modern industrial capitalism. Others, like the late C. Vann Woodward and Charles Postel, depicted populists as rational and forward-looking. As Postel points out in The Populist Vision, populists believed in planning and took as their inspiration for government's effectiveness and power the success of the American postal system (not exactly a model ripe for replication today, of course).

These distinctions are important for historians, but they're largely academic. Once America moved from being a small, rural society to an industrial and then a post-industrial high-tech society, populism veered rightward.

What this neatly overlooks is just how much of what the original Populists argued for has come to pass--either at the hands of early1900s progressives, 1930s New Deal Democrats, or the final cruel ironies of the economic system itself.  They were against unbridled corporate power and related political corruption, against an utterly insular unelected Senate, against the gold standard (take that, Ron Paul!), against vast concentrations of wealth in the hands of a few while millions teetered on the verge of starvation. Morally and politically, the Populists were 100% right on all the big issues that caused them to mobilize themselves.  It is only by totally otherizing them, divorcing their ideas and their influence from the rest of American history that Mattson and others of his ilk can sustain the pretense of their irrelevancy and failure.

On the other had, skipping forward a couple of generations, suddenly Mattson is attentive to the complexities of policy, in order to discredit populism:

Recent attempts to paint Harry Truman as a raging populist ignore significant portions of his presidency, such as his willingness to let the Office of Price Administration wither, his argument that Joseph McCarthy's populist attack on the State Department (the senator's demonization of the silver-spoon, Ivy League elite) was dangerous, his building of the national-security state, and his dislike for labor unions in times of crisis. At one point, he talked of shooting John Lewis, president of the United Mine Workers.

The reality is that knowledgeable critics know that Truman was a machine politician, remarkable primarily in that he was not visibly corrupt.  His forced discovery of his populist voice--which turned back the rising GOP tide in the 1948 election--draws praise not only because it was politically successful, but also because it was unexpected, which is why it's plausibly suggested that Obama could do something similar himself, notwithstanding the many facets of his rule that would clash with it, just like Harry Truman.

If you dig down into the bowels of this article, it eventually becomes clear what's going on here.   It's already apparent that Mattson doesn't really know much about history or political philosophy--at least not as they apply to populism.  But he does know about trying to campaign as a populist, when you're really an elitist neo-liberal.  And that usually doesn't go too well:

When I worked on the John Kerry campaign in Appalachian Ohio, we struggled with the fact that Kerry was no man of the people. When we were sent flyers from national headquarters showing Kerry duck hunting, I thought at first, sure, here's a good pitch -- this man won't take your rifles away (and more abstractly, Democrats protect public hunting lands better than Republicans, a message few voters seemed to absorb). But then I thought more realistically about my region: There were deer hunters in abundance, but there were no duck hunters -- that's so New England. As I distributed these flyers, I realized voters found the idea of John Kerry as a potential hunting buddy to be shameless pandering. This is anecdotal experience, yes, but still, fair warning.

It's fair warning, all right.  Fair warning that Mattson is looking at everything through the wrong end of the telescope, viewing the entire world through the experiential framework of campaign tactics.  Which, of course, is SOP for Versailles.  Everything exists only in relationship to their own very limited life experience.  The Bubble is all they know.


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It's really a disgusting piece (4.00 / 11)
I don't blame Mattson, who just some idiot academic, as much as I blame the editors, who ran his piece alongside a photo of Palin, as if there were no difference between Palin's populism and Kuttner's populism. In fact, the best weapon against cultural, racist populism is progressive economic populism.

I wish I had a subscription to the American Prospect so that I could cancel it again.  


Exactly so (4.00 / 7)
Mizner:

the best weapon against cultural, racist populism is progressive economic populism.

Indeed.

I would go so far as to say it is the only effective and available antidote we have to right-wing populism.

The people are justifiably angry; the question for liberals like Mattson is whether or not they so despise economic populism that they will blithely accept the continued rise and consolidation of racialist, quasi-fascist populism.

Alarmingly, at present the answer appears to be 'Yes,' they so despise economic populism that they are willing to help enable right-wing populism.

Things are bad now but they may well get worse, possibly far worse, if current trends are not arrested. Maybe not next year or the year after but surely within this generation. Stepping back and looking at the history of Europe and elsewhere, immiseration on a mass scale when coupled with right-wing populism takes societies to some very, very dark places.

"No, his mind is not for rent to any god or government" - Neil Peart


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Too bad we can't rate front page posts. (4.00 / 4)
I'd give you a 5.

I wonder if Kuttner will respond to Mattson.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


Ditto Quick Hits (4.00 / 2)
Mark's may have been quite short, but he done good by bringing attention to it, and the discussion wasn't too shabby, either.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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What "liberal" anti-populists never get (4.00 / 9)
If what passes for the left side of the political spectrum has no time for the problems of ordinary people, that greatly empowers right-wing faux-populism, frequently with dire results (which I fear may be the case this time as well.)

No Shit, Sherlock! (4.00 / 5)
They never seem to notice that there's a REASON for folks to be angry, and it's the job of the left to help folks realize & articulate why--and then to do something about it.

These bozos think that anger is the problem, rather than a healthy response to the problem.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I made a similar point above (4.00 / 2)
Liberal anti-populists think populism is a giant bogeyman which, if let out of its cage, will do all sorts of damage. It's simple elitism, fearing the passions of the rabble. It's no coincidence that at this moment pieces like Mattson's keep appearing. Nick Lemann had one in the New Yorker last year:

In the United States, populism has been associated not just with calls for economic equality but also with nativism and racial violence. That may be one reason that President Obama, to judge by his manner, if not his words, sees the virtues of calm, rather than anger, so clearly.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/...


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Let's Unpack This a Little (4.00 / 2)
Liberal anti-populists think populism is a giant bogeyman which, if let out of its cage, will do all sorts of damage.

This statement fascinates me because it is a key part of the problem.

Imagine right wing populist violence and what would result if it led to changes that satisfied the right wing rioters.

Now imagine left wing populist violence and what would result if it led to changes that satisfied the left wing rioters.

There is a vast difference in results. Certainly some number of both groups of rioters would act on their own personal vendettas and there would be a level of chaos.

But the majority of right wing rioters would not rest until they had Big Daddy or Big Mommy in charge telling us what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. As in, shut up and let us drive. We would see more concentration of wealth, lower wages, more poverty, more racism, more blighted lives and unemployment, and less regulation.

The left wing violence, in contrast, would result in what? Better rules for unionization? Higher taxes on the rich? Universal health care? Windfall profits taxes on the wealthiest individuals and companies? Limits on offshoring jobs? Money spent on rebuilding neglected infrastructure?

Clearly there is a disconnect here. Each type of populist anger and violence yields radically different outcomes, one very negative and the other more or less positive. Yet they're treated as the same when they are not. It seems clear Mattson, the author of the article, conflates these two types of populist anger.


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I sort of think this (0.00 / 0)
I do fear the passions of the rabble, but I also think that democracy means that the rabble ought to be allowed to wreck things, to a certain degree.  I think the potential good is well worth the risk.  Perhaps left-wing economic populism will trump right-wing cultural populism.  Perhaps not.  Let's gamble.

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There is no such thing as "rabble." (4.00 / 4)
There is only "other people."

Montani semper liberi

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What you see depends on where you're standing. (4.00 / 1)
Populism is "useful" when your party is out of power.  Populism is much less "useful" when your party isn't.

Inglis is a casualty of the tea party-ization of the Republican Party. Given the decisive vote against him in June, it's clear he was wiped out by a political wave that he could do little to thwart. "Emotionally, I should be all right with this," he says. And when he thinks about what lies ahead for his party and GOP House leaders, he can't help but chuckle. With Boehner and others chasing after the tea party, he says, "that's going to be the dog that catches the car." He quickly adds: "And the Democrats, if they go into the minority, are going to have an enjoyable couple of years watching that dog deal with the car it's caught." - David Corn; Confessions of a Tea Party Casualty


Where to begin (4.00 / 6)
David is right. Let's begin with disgust. For every James Galbraith, Tony Judt or Michael Lind, for every Bowers, or Lux, or Rosenberg, it seems that there has to be a Mattson, a Will, or -- most disgusting of all -- the occasional I'm all right, Jack smugathon from the likes of Timothy Geithner. Definitely disgusting, all of them, but given the shortage of tumbrils at this point in our political evolution, disgust will just have to tide us over until we can get our hands on the government again.

Yes, there was -- and is -- a reason for populism, which with any luck, we will shortly be bringing to their attention despite the size of their gilded megaphones. We should remember that these are the same guys who, whenever someone from the lower orders goes postal, as happened again yesterday, profess not to know what could possibly have possessed them. Someday, we'll have to explain it to them, or perhaps we can let Madame Defarge do it for us.


Here is a little better article from the American Prospect (4.00 / 1)
I don't agree with all or even much of it, but it is at least a reasonable attempt to DISCUSS the dispute between the "insiders" and "outsiders", taking each seriously, on its own terms, unlike the repulsive Mattson piece.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

Who is Kevin Mattson? (4.00 / 1)
Here ya go:
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~mat...

I had assumed this guy was some young staffer with little experience, but no, it's worse than that.  This guy has been around and should know better.

Looks to me like someone wants this guy to be a hatchet-man for them.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


The least surprising line in his very long bio (4.00 / 3)
He is a fellow at the Center for American Progress


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Turn offs (4.00 / 3)
At a gut level, I hate populist rhetoric.  Even when I agree with the facts, I just find the whole tone that typically comes with populism to be a turn off.  You know how you just can't get past some singers' voices, even though you like the music?  Populism is like that for me.

But then I hear George Will say "populism is always pandering" and I find myself screaming at him through the tv.  You can't believe populism is pandering unless you think democracy is pandering and nothing more than mob rule.  Which, come to think of it, is exactly what Will seems to believe.

This article hits both sides for me.  Sometimes I nod in agreement, but then he hits the same pandering line and I start screaming at the computer.  While I agree with the false, artificial populist rhetoric, he never contemplates at all that populism is more than rhetoric.  

Or to reverse that last point, he never contemplates that one can promote populist policies without resorting to identity politics.  And he really misses the point that today, more than ever, we really need populist policies implemented.  We're back in the age of Robber Barons; that's got to change.

ALl that said, with the crap that has been going on lately (or at least my increased awareness of it) I've grown to tolerate populist rhetoric much more.  Sometimes I even bounce my head to the beat.  But Robert Smith's voice still sucks, no way around that.


I admire (4.00 / 1)
I admire your self-reflectiveness and considered ambivalence on this issue. It's a model that people like me who are very comfortable with progressive populism and populist rhetoric could learn from.

And Robert Smith's voice does suck.

"No, his mind is not for rent to any god or government" - Neil Peart


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Identity Politics (4.00 / 2)
It all comes back to identity politics.  As much as I or that misspelled Mattson might claim to dislike identity politics, the true is the problem with populist rhetoric is it doesn't speak to my identity.

I grew up with two college educated parents in a nice, middle class neighborhood.  My house had a pool in the backyard, as did most of my friend's houses.  As an adult, I clearly belong in what Chris calls the "creative class".

So when Obama speaks, I like it.  He sounds like me!  Competent people, debating their differences, solving problems.  Sounds awesome.

That angry, stick-it-to-the-man talk?  Bleh.  Not me.

It is much easier to see others get swept up in identity politics than it is to see in yourself.  I still dislike identity politics, but I'm doing a better job these days of not falling for it myself.


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Well, Me Too (0.00 / 0)
My folks were college educated.  My dad was fricken college professor.  But they were also the children of immigrants, and they lived on the edge of bohemian culture.

So, guess I had so many identities I didn't know what to do.

Ergo, I invented even more of them.

Say, wasn't that what Star Trek was all about?

And I wasn't even close to the most heavy-duty Trekkie I knew.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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WTF??? (4.00 / 1)
At a gut level, I hate populist rhetoric.  Even when I agree with the facts, I just find the whole tone that typically comes with populism to be a turn off.

You're the guy who kept hounding me to watch Leverage, right?

And this is the show's tagline:


"The rich and the powerful take what they want.  We steal it back for you.  We provide... Leverage."

Right?

Now if that's not populist rhetoric, I don't know what is.




p.s. I just checked in from work, so don't expect to hear from me again for several hours.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Yep (0.00 / 0)
But he says it in a nice, calm, Creative Class kind of way.

I had an awesome response to Jacobsen above that got into this.  Unfortunately, the damn new Mac mouse backed away from the page again.  (Only takes two fingers brushing the wrong way.  Normally it's cool, but I should probably just turn off that functionality.)  I'll try retyping it.


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Leverage (0.00 / 0)
Also, I was hounding you about the populist message of the show because I knew you would like it.

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Flunked history (4.00 / 4)
Strangely, I was thinking of writing a diary on the subject of the failed party change and the almost of populism last night.  Paul just beat me to it. Kevin Mattson may be a history professor but he does a rotten job of understanding the facts of the last quarter of the 1800s.

First, there was a real problem of legitimacy.  Rutherford B. Hayes flat out stole the Presidency in 1876 via the corrupt bargain in which Republicans ended occupation of the south in exchange (after the election went otherwise) for the electoral votes of southern states enough to give Hayes a 185-184 electoral vote "victory" over Tilden.

Less blatant but just eight years later, Republican Benjamin Harrison was outvoted by incumbent Grover Cleveland but won the electoral college.  Harrison promptly installed crackpot Republican economics, just like W.

In between, an elected President (James Garfield) was assasinated and one of the least prepared persons ever became President (Chester A. Arthur).  The 1884 election featured a contest between a (probable) illegitimate father and an openly corrupt official (James G. Blaine).  The dad won.

Meanwhile, Cleveland was possibly the most conservative Democrat since slavery.  He was not only openly anti-union (sent in federal troops against strikers) but was hard currency and presided over most of the worst economic times to hit the country before the Great Depression, with the Panic of 1893 including five straight years with real unemployment at 10% or higher (1893,1894,1985,1896,1897).

Further complicating the scene were high numbers of recent immigrants and the close down of what rights remained for blacks from the civil war and reconstruction.  Plessy v. Ferguson was in 1896 (IIRC).  Voting rights for blacks were stripped in LA and NC and maybe elsewhere (I read that book a long time ago).

The result of confusing political parties which often stood for similar, ineffective things and a terrible economy were utter chaos politically.  Here's the results for 20 years of US House and Presidential elections.  Since there was no popular election in the Senate, I've excluded that.

Yr     # in House     Dem     Rep     Other   Pres
1880     293          128     151     14      R
1882     325          196     117     12      -
1884     325          182     141     2       D
1886     325          167     152     6       -
1888     332          152     179     1       R lost pop v
1890     332          238      86     8       -
1892     356          218     124     14      D
1894     357           93     254     10      -
1896     357          124     206     27      R
1898     357          161     187      9      -
1900     357          151     200      6      R

Yup, rampant concentration of wealth.  Elimination of civil rights.  Foreign wars and prolonged occupation.  Illegitimate Presidents.  Stolen elections.  A conservadem President.  The first use of excessive corporate spending and bullying i the election of 1896 where Republicans threatened to close factories with 10% + unemployment if they didn't win and outspent Dems by 16:1 ($8 million to $500,000).

Notice that although the Party change was due it failed.  Twice.

We got lucky with change being delivered by an assassin's bullet as Teddy Roosevelt replaced McKinley.  More accurately, change was delivered by botched surgery which more or less killed McKinley rather than saving him.

A lot of the "historian" class of the 60s and 70s were not IMO up to their predecessors.  Kevin Mattson did little or no original research and relies mostly on that era of "scholarship."  Populism was a strange mix of forward ideas, racism, and discontent.  Those 27 House seats showed a lot.  The nomination of Bryan allowed some separation of the parties and the economic recovery eliminated a lot of the push for change.  Bryan in 1900 ran primarily as a peace candidate not a prosperity or social justice candidate.  The actual Progressive admins of Teddy Roosevelt and (to a lesser extent) Woodrow Wilson further stalled the movement till the next great failure.  Wilson re-segregated DC and started the Federal Reserve without adequate checks and balances.  I don't think he knew what they'd become but like the start of the CIA it ultimately became a bad tool in the hands of some really bad people.



Wow (4.00 / 1)
Not that I really share any serious affinity for the 19th century Democrats, at least not during the period you review here, but that 1894 Congressional election was brutal. Just a total wipeout. I wonder if there has ever been as dramatic a swing in any other single election in our history.  

"No, his mind is not for rent to any god or government" - Neil Peart

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Closest (0.00 / 0)
The closest in terms of number was 1932 when Democrats picked up 97 seats.  That came on top of a 52 seat pickup in 1930.  Going by percentage of seat, the Democratic gain in 1974 was bigger (+94 seats)than 1932 and so was the 86 seat gain in 1890.  Only the two cycle of 1930 and 1932 combined rivals 1894.

1874,1894, 1930 and 1932 all tie in to a bad economy through the Panic of 1873, the Panic of 1893 and the Great Depression.


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