Dems & taxes: Reality-based? Not so much.

by: Paul Rosenberg

Wed Sep 15, 2010 at 12:00


Krugman:

LettingTax Cuts For The Rich Expire

So, let's see: letting the high-end tax cuts expire on schedule is good economics; picking a fight with Republicans over the issue appears, from all the polls, to be very good politics - and that's despite what has so far been an incredibly lame effort to explain the issues.

Besides, Democrats should be inclined to take risks in any case: if nothing shakes up the game, they lose the House and possibly the Senate, if they shake things up, they might hold on.

And yet, it's still not clear whether they'll force a vote on a middle-class-only tax break?

You really have to wonder about these people.

Particularly when one reads TPM's account of the meeting that Speaker Pelosi held yesterday:

Pelosi Implores Dems On Tax Cuts: 'Who Do You Stand With?'
Christina Bellantoni | September 14, 2010, 10:50PM

Speaker Nancy Pelosi tonight implored House Democrats in a private meeting to consider a pre-election vote on extending the Bush-era tax cuts for the middle class while letting those for the rich expire, framing the debate in partisan terms.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee told TPM after the caucus that Pelosi ended the meeting with a "resounding" and impassioned speech that fired up the Democrats and might even have brought more on board for a vote.

"She made it clear it's a black and white issue of who do you stand with," Lee told TPM. "It's the middle class and they need to know we are pushing for them. We have to say it over and over again. They've gotta see it, smell it, sense it, taste it."

Lee (D-TX) said that Democrats should be as consistent as President Obama has been, and attempt to define the Republicans as favoring the rich.

As we highlighted earlier, Democratic leaders were in temperature-taking mode tonight. They laid out several options for voting now, but tried to listen to members to get the discussion started since everyone had only been back in town for five hours.

Pollster Stan Greenberg also presented the caucus with some data showing the tax cuts issue helps energize the base, a stat members responded to well, a Democratic aide present during the meeting told TPM. The aide said some members suggested that tax cuts could be moved quickly, or that it wasn't an issue for them back home, but that most members were supportive of Pelosi's position.

TPM spoke with several Democratic members on background and they confirmed that there was not a clear consensus to emerge out of the meeting. Most said they think leadership will put forward a vote to extend the middle class tax cuts only, but perhaps allow for a procedural vote that would satisfy those members who want to at least be on the record for extending the cuts for every income bracket.

The most plausible explanation for all this is that Democrats are afraid that even the mere mention of taxes means their doom.  As if the GOP won't mention taxes if the Dems don't pick a fight?  What kind of crazy is that?

It's fear-based crazy, that's what.  And since the GOP is the party of fear, as long as the Dems are coming from fear, they are playing on GOP's home turf, by the GOP's own rules.  As I've been trying to explain recently, there's a very clear clash of civilizations going on here: A fear-based, top-down anti-modernist "civilization" (if you can call it that) vs. a reality-based, bottom-up modernist and post-modernists civilization.  THe Dems have been scared out of their wits by the GOP, thus abandoning the civilization that they're supposed to be defending.  Not all the Dems, mind you.  But enough of them to cripple the party as a whole.  And that's what we're seeing play out here.  It's really just as simple as that.

    "We have nothing to fear, but fear itself." -- Franklin Delano Roosevelt.

Ain't it the truth!

Paul Rosenberg :: Dems & taxes: Reality-based? Not so much.

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"Krugmam"??? (0.00 / 0)
Well, he annoyed me a bit recently when he was bitching about Germany, but I wouldn't call him that, still...
:D

I am learning (4.00 / 2)
to fear the fears of other people.

GOP wants to add $ 4 trillion to deficit (4.00 / 2)
See my QH. Really, the Dems would be totally lobotomized if they don't use this as a campaign talking point! The rethuglicans are financially totally irresponsible, and liberals should hammer this into the minds of the voters until the last one got it. A vote for the GOP is a vote for national bankruptcy! That's how the cookie crumbles.

I hate to say this (0.00 / 0)
but I think a lot of voters don't register the fact that revenues affect deficits as much as spending does.  They think deficits only happen because government spends too much, rather than collects too little.

And then if you tell them that government is not making enough to pay for its spending, the response is always, "government should spend less then!", because they're always reflexively against higher taxes.

Of course, if they actually understood what government was spending "their" money on, they wouldn't call for less government spending.  But they don't know what government spends their money on; they even think Medicare is a private program.  And that's because liberals aren't defending the concept of active government.  That's what all our failures, all our frustrations, our entire inability to even put our best ideas (e.g. rolling back the freakin Bush tax cuts) on solid political footing, come back to.  And that's the point that needs to be repeated every day, as often as possible.


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I'm a lifelong Democrat... (4.00 / 5)
...and dammit, I want our guys to fight. I want our guys in Congress to put a Democratic stamp on tax cuts for the middle-class. And I want the to stick it to the rich.

Dirty rat-tard Republicans with money from the rich got the rest of us screwed over every day of the week, every week of the year, for years and years to come, and they're PROUD of it. Proud of damaging 90% of the American people so they can live in their mansions, drive their foreign-made luxury and sports cars, eat fancy food, and ensure their gold-plated retirements and pass on their fortunes tax-free. The rich in this country today are the real welfare class and it's long past time to take away the government tit they feast on.

Damn their Nixon and their Reagan; damn their Bushes; damn every last one of the rich and their anti-American Republican Party. I don't know any of them. Neither do you. They're a pack of liars and thieves and we don't associate with criminals like that. Curse them all.


Paul .... (0.00 / 0)
what most of the party needs is a real education .. the question is .. how are we going to do it .. because the Blue Dogs are well ..giving it to us where the sun don't shine .. I know people won't like to here this .. but either we purge the Blue Dogs .. or the party will crack apart and die .. because the Blue Dogs are mostly to blame for where we are right now(meaning people are pissed that Gov't isn't doing enough to get us out of this recession)

"fear-based crazy" (4.00 / 1)
Paul, I don't think that's really the whole issue. I think a very real part of it is that most Democrats are on the take from the very same people the Rethuglicans work for - the people who would have their taxes raised. Dems don't want to lose, but they also don't want to screw up a probable lucrative job (payoff for their service to the ruling class) waiting for them when they leave Congress. To paraphrase James Carville, "It's the corruption, stupid."

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"on the take from the very same people"? It's even worse! (4.00 / 1)
Many Dem Senators ARE those people. No surprise, then, that  they're not eager to raise their own taxes. It will take a lot of pressure to make them do that.  

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Too charitable to Conservadems (0.00 / 0)
I think their real motivation in not jumping on board the Obama Tax Cuts for Middle Class coupled with the Reinstating Fair Taxes on the Rich plan, is fear of alienating wealthy donors (and the corporations who employ them).

I can't believe Democrats even have to have this stupid conversation on tax cuts for the rich (0.00 / 0)
Opposing such tax cuts should be a given if you're a Democrat.  Having to have a discussion among Democrats about why we should raise taxes on the rich is like having to teach a full-grown man to not take a shit in the middle of the living room floor.

Might it be because all the new "Democrats" that were recruited by Rahm Emanuel in 2006 and 2008 were former or closet Republicans who just happened to run as Democrats cuz they didn't like the Iraq war, or they're pro-choice, or cuz it was a terrible time to be a Republican?

This is what happens when you let just anybody into the party.  This is also what happens when you refuse to articulate core principles for your party, instead choosing to stand on a precarious stickpile of platitudes, vagueries and negative definitions.






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