Only Versailles cares about the deficit--and only because a Democrat is President

by: Paul Rosenberg

Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 09:00


Last week, CBS's poll found that no one cares about the deficit, not even Republicans:

Steve Benen observed that there's nothing terribly new about this:

The track record here is pretty consistent -- Reagan was the father of the modern deficit, and no one cared. When Mondale tried to make deficit reduction central to his '84 campaign, he lost 49 states. Clinton was the father of modern deficit reduction, but no one much cared about that, either, and by the time he left office after two terms, much of the country didn't even realize he'd completely eliminated the deficit and had begun paying off the debt. George W. Bush was the most fiscally irresponsible president in American history, but on the long list of Bush's failures, most Americans don't even consider the $5 trillion he added to the debt. Obama has actually reduced the deficit over the last year, but no one actually hears deficit hawks praising him for it.

This history is so clear, it's amazing how uniformly Versailles can ignore. But they do.

Steve went on to argue the obvious (to Americans, that is):

Voters want the economy to grow. They want more jobs. If they actually cared about the deficit, they'd be outraged by the notion of a new round of tax cuts (they're not), and supportive of measures like the Simpson/Bowles plan (they're really not).

And then he went one step further:

It's not altogether clear people even know what the deficit is. For many, it's likely that the deficit is just something that's "bad." Indeed, given that deficit concerns tend to coincide with economic downturns, some folks might see a correlation -- the deficit is high and the economy is bad, they figure, so maybe if the deficit were lower the economy might get better.

All of this is nonsense, of course, but it's worth remembering when various political players suggest policymakers' popularity is riding on deficit reduction. It's not.

There is, of course, strong evidence for this.  People really do seem to respond to--even repeat--the meme that since households are cutting back spending, government should do the same, even though macro-economics tells us unequivocally that the opposite is true.  Now that even President Obama is spewing this nonsense, it's not likely that ordinary folks are going to get a clue.  But even so, the CBS poll figures speak for themselves.  It's just not an issue for the vast majority of them.

So why is it an issue for Versailles?  Reason number one is that the President is a Democrat.  

Paul Rosenberg :: Only Versailles cares about the deficit--and only because a Democrat is President
Versailles tut-tutted over the deficit When Reagan and Bush I were in the White House, but was basically fine with letting Congress futz around with it for more than a decade.  It only became an urgent imperative for the President after Clinton took office.  Then, as soon as Bush came in, blowing the Clinton surplus was the first order of business.  It was spend like a drunken sailor time.  "Reagan proved deficits don't matter, his VP said," and everyone nodded approvingly.  Now Obama's  President, so of course deficits are the kiss of death once again.

"Okay," you say, "but why is that?"  Simple:  It's the most efficient way to cripple any possible broad expansion of the welfare state.  Not only that, but it's an all-purpose way to create hurdles and mobile opposition to any substantial form of economically activist government.

It is, in short, an all-purpose toll to make sure that however a Democrat might want to run for President, in the end he (or she) will be reduced at best to be governing as purely a social liberal, and that makes it increasingly easy to appeal to frustrated economic populists.  Put simply, this is an integral part of how Republicans drive the dynamic of the culture war to their benefit over the long run.

There is a secondary reason at play, but it's more nebulous, and to some extent seems to be simply a global echo of the first reason, and that is the curious emergence of a global austerity aka "pain" caucus that's been puzzling Paul Krugman and Brad DeLong ever since early this year, when the OECD rather unexpectedly turned against fiscally stimulative policies.

As both Krugman and DeLong have noted on numerous occassions, there just doesn't seem to be any logic to this position.  Krugman, in particular, has repeatedly asked, "What model are they using?" and concluded that they don't have one.  And most recently, he's taken note of how economists have turned against even expansionary monetary policy from the Fed ("quantitative easing"), here, here, and here just since Saturday, for example.  Deficit/debt reduction is a coherent expression of this ideological stance against stimulus of any kind, even if there is no coherent logic behind it, and it seems to be the result of exporting American rightwing political economy to the rest of the world.


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I want just one thing... (4.00 / 1)
Get rid of the political bribes (campaign contributions) and my politicians will do the right thing. If that means tax breaks for the rich, and they feel the voters will re-elect them, fine. But I want them working for me and not them.

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Intensified (4.00 / 5)
The game was up when Obama promised the Blue Dogs he'd tackle reducing the deficit as soon as the stimulus was over.  That was nearly two years ago.  I cringed when I read that and he may slam DFHs but he kowtows to Republicans and Blue Dogs.

As for Democrats being targets and Republicans spending the pattern is clear.  Each torrent of Republican spending inevitably serves under Versailles guidance to redistribute money to Versailles.  This round is intensified.

First, unlike when Carter or Clinton took office, the economy is in far worse shape.

Second, Republicans seem to have succeeded in not only taking tax increases off the table but also in making all the Bush tax cuts permanent. If you can't raise taxes on the people who ruined the economy now, when can you raise taxes on these malefactors of great wealth.

Third the military is taken off the table and Iraq and Afghanistan continue to blow a hole in the budget.

Fourth, further tax cuts for businesses and the super wealthy are proposed.

There is no place left to get money except the middle class (and their shrinking share) and the elderly. Social Security is the one large remaining target for Republican raids and Bowles/Simpson are going for it and the mortgage deduction.  Even health care, a possible savior, has been taken off so insurance companies profits continue unchanged and supported by mandatory participation.

Why a billionaire like Pete Peterson is left unharmed and untargeted despite his 35 year vendetta against social security is unclear.  Peterson and the Koch brothers don't live in a vacuum.  Their businesses could be boycotted and protesters could make their lives unpleasant.  Better them than the other 99.9% of the population.

The left has lost the nasty it had in similar circumstances in the 1890s and early 1900s.  The billionaires have no fear, just contempt.  Time to get back the vigor and the venom.


Well done! (4.00 / 1)
Two added pieces:

"Okay," you say, "but why is that?"  Simple:  It's the most efficient way to cripple any possible broad expansion of the welfare state.  Not only that, but it's an all-purpose way to create hurdles and mobile opposition to any substantial form of economically activist government.

It is, in short, an all-purpose toll to make sure that however a Democrat might want to run for President, in the end he (or she) will be reduced at best to be governing as purely a social liberal, and that makes it increasingly easy to appeal to frustrated economic populists.  Put simply, this is an integral part of how Republicans drive the dynamic of the culture war to their benefit over the long run.

It also supports militarism/imperialism because the only kind of social programmes that are supported in the United States in mainstream politics are military programmes and wars.  What is acceptable when couched in military terms (e.g. single payer health care) is 'socialist' and a 'government takeover' when you talk about civilians.  This is to an extent crucial to how this works, I think, because it provides a mechanism for the shock troops for Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

So why is it an issue for Versailles?  Reason number one is that the President is a Democrat.

I think 'Democrat' here is shorthand for 'not an ideologically hardcore economic conservative.'  It's more or less accurate to say 'Democrat' in national U.S. politics, but it's the latter that's relevant, in my opinion, because this is more about class and sectoral intersets than about party, at the end of the day.  Not a critique of the Democrats but of the enormous power, opportunism, and lack of nationalism among the supperrich and institutions like banks, etc.


Well, Actually It IS Because He's A Democrat (4.00 / 3)
Even allowing a neoliberal to succeed is too much for Versailles.  I agree that it's really about ideology and class at bottom, but any ideology at all that could possibly fly within the Democratic Party at the presidential level is simply too dangerously egalitarian for them.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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disagree (4.00 / 1)
my perspective: http://www.opensecrets.org/ove...
but reasonable people can disagree about this.  

Anyway, I think the point about military keynesianism and scoial welfarism is probably more consequential outside the confines of progressive blogging.  


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People Do Care About the Deficit (0.00 / 0)
They may not think it is the most important thing, but that doesn't mean they think it is unimportant.  It would show up on a lot of lists if you asked people an open-ended question about the top three or five problems facing the country.

CBS gave people a closed set of choices, Gallup asked an open-ended question on the nation's most important problem.  "Federal budget deficit/national debt" ranked below "unemployment/jobs", "economy in general", health care, and "dissatisfaction with government/Congress/politicians; poor leadership; corruption; abuse of power", but it was mentioned by more people than the gap between rich and poor, corporate corruption, war, immigration, the environment, race, or gay rights.  Would you argue that people don't care about Afghanistan anymore and that issue is over-stressed by people out of touch with what "real Americans" care about?

Deficits do matter, but sometimes other things are more important.  I prefer adopting FDR's reasoning that a balanced budget should be the default goal, but that deficit spending should be acceptable on a temporary basis during times of emergency such as economic crisis or declared war.  Perhaps a good model for how progressives should think about the deficit is Russ Feingold, who had a reputation as a liberal deficit hawk, yet voted for the stimulus bill.

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If I ask you "Who's more important to you, your mom or your dad?". (And you can't say both)

If you say your mom, does that mean your dad is unimportant?

If you say your dad, does that mean your mom is unimportant?

Then, think about your conclusion: "Last week, CBS's poll found that no one cares about the deficit, not even Republicans"

See what I did there? Drawing fallacious conclusions based on real data, must be your calling paul.


If Republicans are so hot about fiscal responsibility (4.00 / 1)
and all that jazz - why wasn't Bill Clinton their hero and GWB their dog?

I don't need poll results to see what is so blatantly obvious - the only time GOPpers and other conservatives trot out the "fiscal responsibility" dog and pony is when they want to use it to slam the progressives and lefties.

Why is it that ONLY the government is held to such standards?  What benefits have this nation garnered from giving tax cuts to the top 1-2% wealthiest folks for the last 8 or so years? Have those folks been "fiscally responsible" with the money Bush Jr. doled out?

Same way you use the emotional connections many of us have with Mom and Dad - which are so completely unlike national policies issues such as "deficit reduction" and "taxes" that the disingenuous basis of your comment becomes quite apparent.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Except This Is More Like Chosing Between Your Mom Or Your School Nurse (4.00 / 1)
Nice try, though.

No facts at all on your side, but you still come up with a story.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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As Robert Reich has pointed out many times, there are good deficits and bad deficits (0.00 / 0)
which is why conservatives are mad now - not because there are deficits period but because those deficits are not their kind of deficits.  It's also why liberals complained about Bush's deficits but not Obama's.  It's not about whether or not there's a deficit - it's about what that deficit is being used to pay for.





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