The Clinton catastrophe vs. Versailles hallowed memory (Rewriting presidential history 1992-2000)

by: Paul Rosenberg

Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 12:00


Last Thursday, Brad DeLong excerpted my diary, "Obama's time-warp" as one of a trilogy he dubbed "Coalition Maintenance". There were a number of predictable Versailles talking points in the comments, but the one that struck me was the following, both because it's couched in terms of general agreement with me, and because it is so fundamental to the delusional Versaille version of the world [emphasis added]:

Ebenezer Scrooge said...

I pretty much agree with Rosenberg's thesis, with one reservation.

Clinton's presidency was not about policy, either liberal or Third Way. It was about reviving the Democratic Party as a credible party of governance. He succeeded in doing so, at the cost of letting public discourse creep to the right. But he did purge the Democrats of their silly wing. (And I'm not using "silly" as a euphemism for "left." Today's left Democrats aren't silly anymore.)

Obama does not have Clinton's excuse. The Democratic Party is a credible party of governance now. As a matter of fact, it is the only credible party of governance, the 2010 election notwithstanding. (2010 was all about the Great Recession.) So nu, Barack? Stop triangulating, and govern already!

I have no idea what the poster means by the Democrats "silly wing", especially if it's explicitly not a jab at the left.  But this is the sort of Brooksian nonsensical way that Versailles narratives are made.  And why in the world should Clinton's presidency not be "about policy, either liberal or Third Way", just because it's claimed that "It was about reviving the Democratic Party as a credible party of governance"?  In earlier versions it was explicitly stated the other way around--Clinton's presidency re-established the Democratic Party because of the policy shift to the Third Way.  More recently, this form has become more popular--nothing to do with each other.  But why?  It's both arbitrary and nonsensical.

But the real Big Lie here is that Clinton somehow revived the Democratic Party--in terms of seriousness, legitimacy or whatever spin you want to put on it.  But, then how to account for a "revival" in which Democratic Party power was decimated across the institutional spectrum, from Congress, through statehouses and state legislatures across the land?

From the Statistical Abstract--Elections Section

A raw numbers view first:

And a percentage view:

The Democrats had had their ups and downs before, especially in the Senate in 1980, when the combination of then-unprecedented stealth outside money and Jimmy Carter's early concession helped produce an unprecedented loss of Democratic seats.  But the Democrats re-took the Senate in 1986.

It was not until Clinton gained the presidency in 1992, and then abandoned the traditional Democratic stance of economic populism (which, of course, Clinton had run on) that Democrats suffered sweeping losses at all levels--losses they did not start to recover from until 2006, when conservatives' disastrous mismanagement finally started catching up with them.

Now, of course, Obama is starting the Clinton cycle all over again--with sharp drops that are even worse at the state legislature level.  Which is why the Big Lie of Clinton's political awesomeness is so important for Versailles.  By denying the actual history of the 1990s, they lay the groundwork for the denying the reality of today, which is, simply put, that "Third Way" neo-liberalism is as anti-pragmatic in political terms as it is realworld results terms.

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What the facts reference (4.00 / 3)
Is that the NEW Democrats have adopted the "credibility" of the GOP in order revitalize themself.  That is, the GOP entice their voters by promising to abolish abortion, stop gay marriage, etc., but do they ever really do it?  The Democrats promise an affordable national health care plan, to protect and enhance Soc. Sec., Medicare, protect minority rights, etc... But do they really do it?  

Clinton surely didn't protect worker's rights.  And probably that alone is the reason his wife lost the nomination and we so wisely chose an unknown puppet of the rich. (Yeah, I voted for him too.)  

But it is not just the politicians, it's the high paid MSM media whores that propagate this more than anyone.  The GOP has Fox news sucking in the working class with fears of Big Brother is going to get you.  On the other hand, the Democrats can rely upon the networks to parrot the neo-lib pronouncements that Soc. Sec., Medicare, unemployment, and Medicaid are causing deficits and losses of jobs.  Of course the only solutions is to lower the income tax on high earners.  A solution which the most cursery of evidence would demonstrates not only adds to the deficit, but adds to the loss of jobs.

The passage this tax bill will further demonstrate the will and direction of the leadership of the Democratic Party.  The only thing in question is the will of the Democratic voters.  

Color me "silly."

"Oh. My. God. .... We're doomed." -- Paul Krugman
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Thank goodness the silly Democrats (4.00 / 5)
are gone.  Now we have serious people like Mark Warner telling us that overregulation is the problem with the economy. You know, that wave of regulation in the late Bush years that caused the economy to tank.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.

Silly (0.00 / 0)
I wonder where the "silly" ones went?  They must be out there somewhere, right?

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Re-Enacting Monty Python Skits, No Doubt! (4.00 / 1)
Death panels are serious business.

Silly hats?  Not so much.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Realignment (0.00 / 0)
Of course, that drop in Democratic margins was due to the southern realignment.  Any Democrat in the White House would have caused the same line of unstable dominoes to fall.  A bunch of southerners just needed that final push to realize they were now Republicans.


No, Not Really (4.00 / 1)
Clinton's victories in 1992 and 1996 were dependent in part on retaking Southern states that the Dems hadn't be able to win since Carter in 1976.  What was crucial was his alienation of the Perot voters.  This is what the GOP built on in their congressional campaigns with the "Contract on America", and the seats they won reflected it: They were fairly broadly distributed geographically. But in each subsequent election, they lost seats outside the South, balanced by picking them up inside the South.  Given how much NAFTA hurt southern states in particular, it's highly unlikely there'd have been anything like the Southern loses seen late in the process, if it hadn't started off with rebuffing Perot supporters early on.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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hmmm (0.00 / 0)
Certainly Clinton's wins involved some southern states, though fewer in 1996 than 1992.  But I was fairly certain the bulk of the House switch, for example, was the loss of Dixiecrats.  

Unfortunately, these Wiki maps use slightly different formats, but here is the House after 1992 and 1994 elections:

And the Senate:

Overall, a bit of a mixed case.  Perhaps the change was not mostly the south, but largely the south.


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Here's What I Wrote About 2 Years Ago (0.00 / 0)
From "The GOP--Party of the South", July 2008:

Raw totals first:

And percentages:

In 1994, the Midwest, South and West all dropped by roughly similar amounts--14-18%. The South dropped almost another 8% after that through 2004, while the West came back more than 12%.  The Midwest also dropped--almost 4%--but then bounced back in 2006 more than any other region.

In short, the 1994 losses were not simply reducible to Southern regional loses, and it's even arguable, given how those regional loses deepened over time, that Clinton ended up accelerating Southern loses over time--witness the fact that Gore didn't even try to seriously contest his own home state, probably a first in US history.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Slow Stew (0.00 / 0)
I'll buy that.  I remember it happening all in 1994, but I guess it took longer than that.

it's even arguable, given how those regional loses deepened over time, that Clinton ended up accelerating Southern loses over time

which was my point.  I think any Democrat in the White House would have achieved a similar effect.


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Not If They'd Opposed NAFTA (0.00 / 0)
NAFTA was Clinton/Gore's decisive break with labor and environmentalists to align with big business.  It really undermined the Democratic brand with a lot of working-class people.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Do you mean to tell us (0.00 / 0)
that if Democrats "refudiate" (to borrow a neologism) free trade policies, they'll start doing better in the South?

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By Now? (0.00 / 0)
At this late date, it's difficult to tell, since so much has been lost already. What I'm arguing is something historically specific: That at the time Clinton & Gore pushed through NAFTA -- while very prominently dissing Perot -- the result was a substantial loss of allegiance to the Democratic Party.

This should be immediately apparent to anyone old enough to remember Senator Fritz Hollings of North Carolina, the kind of economic populist Southern Democrat that Democrats just don't have anymore at anything like the level of national prominence he held.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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versus - what? (0.00 / 0)
but 'silly' is the right word - By I starting to argueing against ourself we thought we could beat silliness with silliness  but it seems to be impossible so I have to let it go for a while embracing the suck - (or not!)
Merry Christmas 'comrads' and don't let the bedbugs bite!  

oxymoron (4.00 / 2)
Clinton's presidency was not about policy, either liberal or Third Way. It was about reviving the Democratic Party as a credible party of governance.

So "governance" is not about "policy"? What a perfect example of the Villager mindset! And who are the silly ones again?

One thing is for sure; For the tribe of clueless whores that are The Village, supporting shitty conservative economic policies does indeed magically convey "credibility." Except, hey wait a minute!!! Is that an extramarital blowjob!!!!!! OMG! I'm getting the mother freakin' vapors big time!!!!!

If there is any lesson in this, it is that performing for the Villagers at the expense of sound economic policy (i.e. liberal economic policy) leads to shitty electoral results for the party that is supposed to represent working class interests.

miasmo.com


"Sound And Fury Signifying Nothing" (4.00 / 1)
That's what you get from the Versailles punditalkcrazy.

And no.  It doesn't feed many mouths.  Surprise. Surprise.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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