Subtract hominem: Using false fallacy claims to take someone out when arguments don't cut it

by: Paul Rosenberg

Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 09:00


Krugman points out:

A language thing: many people have been characterizing my attack on the Ryan roadmap as "ad hominem." I think this represents a devaluation of the term.

As I've always understood it, ad hominem attacks involve attacking the person in general rather than what the person has to say on a specific issue. It means that instead of saying that Professor X seems to have played fast and loose with the data in his latest study, you say that Professor X's mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries; or, to take some non-random examples, you habitually refer to someone as "former Enron consultant Paul Krugman," or invariably bring the size of Al Gore's house into discussions of climate change.

Now, I didn't do anything like that. I did point out that Ryan appears to be faking it in the selling of his plan - and I documented that assertion with specifics on the plan, on how he gamed the CBO process, and on the differences between how he talks about the deficit and what his plan would actually do.

That's not ad hominem; it's just being blunt.

This is not a new thing, but it is not as prominent as another related (usually) rightwing practice: that of redefining "rights", particularly the First Amendment, to mean two nearly opposite things: one for conservatives, and one for everyone else.  In fact, Krugman is being far too nice here.  Ryan is, quite simply, a charlatan.  And Krugman has not been shy about pointing it out.  This ought to be the job of any and all beat reporters who deal with Ryan, but then, that's not what the Versailles media is for.

What's happening here is one of the conservatives favorite 5-year-old tactics: "I know you are, but what am I?"  Whatever outrageous thing they try to pull, when they get called on it, they turn around and accuse whoever called them on it of doing exactly the same thing.

Duplicistous climate scientists, anyone?  Racists at the NAACP?  A racist black president?  

The good thing about fallacies is that they have names, which makes it easier to identify them, point them out, discuss them in general terms, compare diffeent examples, just generally get a handle on them.

And so, since this new pattern is emerging of using projection to falsely accuse people of fallacious reasoning, we really ought to develop a term for that, as well.

I don't really have a good suggestion for it, so I'll throw it open for comments.  But this really is one of the most important things we can do when dealing with rightwing hegemonic warfare.  Think of it sort of like generating antibodies.  You learn to spot this sort of disease vector at a cellular level, so you don't have to think it all through all over again every time it happens.

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Pseudofallacious? (0.00 / 0)
since this new pattern is emerging of using projection to falsely accuse people of fallacious reasoning, we really ought to develop a term for that, as well.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Good But... (0.00 / 0)
I was hoping to capture something more of the broader dynamic.


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Pseudofallacious acidosis (4.00 / 3)
it is really quite atrocious.

"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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The 5 Year Old's Fallacy? (4.00 / 3)
Toddler Rules of Engagement

1. If I like it, it's mine.

2. If it's in my hand, it's mine.

3. If I can take it from you, it's mine.

4. If I had it a little while ago, it's mine.

5. If it's mine, it must NEVER appear to be yours in any way.

6. If I'm doing or building something, all the pieces are mine.

7. If it looks just like mine, it is mine.

8. If I saw it first, it's mine.

9. If you are playing with something and you put it down, it automatically becomes mine.

10. If it's broken, it's yours.



Toddler Syndrome? (4.00 / 1)
I'd also call this the Shiny Object Syndrome (or SOS), as in, "Look, a shiny object!" to distract people. However, SOS may be too high level if what Paul wants is something specific to what Krugman calls out.

It's also a variant on the Wizard of Oz where we're not supposed to pay attention to the little man behind the curtain. Instead, we're supposed to focus on our fears and all the scary stuff around us.


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If we can capture that in one catchy descriptive phrase, it's perfect! (4.00 / 4)
In the meantime...

If I like it, it's mine. - Glenn Beck and the Tea Party claiming to embody the true spirit of the Civil Rights movement in America.

If it's broken, it's yours. - Neoliberals, Neocons, and all your garden variety Country Club Conservatives on the economy.


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The Toddler's Rules of Engagement... (0.00 / 0)
...often strikes me as a not-bad synopsis of the basic philosophy of some libertarians.  There is a fair amount of it that seems to apply to many people's sense of capitalism, as well, even though they would argue they aren't libertarians.

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Name-calling isn't an ad hominem attack (0.00 / 0)
You say Krugman is bring too nice and I agree, although, I am certain for separate reasons than Paul Rosenberg.  The left, when it chooses to engage in name-calling, does so from the perspective of snark or sarcasm.  I think that progressives should engage in more name-calling that is inspired by viciousness and mean-heartedness.

Conservatives don't want liberals to engage in the sort of dehumanizing language that helps sustain anger.  That sort of attitude will only enable left-wing populism.  Instead, conservatives seek to use the prissy attitudes of liberals against them.  If liberals are too caught up in an ideology that supports "rational" thought, then using name-calling rhetoric makes them look hypocritical.  And that's the real point, to put the left on the defensive.  You don't try to respond rationally to these sorts of arguments; you hit back harder.

So, if conservatives accuse progressives of ad hominem attacks, the response should be to "cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war" when faced with conservatives like Paul Ryan demonstrating an idiocy that makes me think that Buck v Bell might have been decided correctly.  

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<i>Argumentum Ad Projectionem</i> (4.00 / 3)
Paul!  You came up with the best name when you said, "And so, since this new pattern is emerging of using projection to falsely accuse people of fallacious reasoning, we really ought to develop a term for that, as well."

So I just looked up the etymology of projection and found the original Latin form.

Let's call it what it is.

Educate, Agitate, Organize, Mobilize, Act!


Good idea, but not quite right (4.00 / 1)
"Projection" sounds too clinically psychological and using a Latin term just makes it worse. We need something that means the same thing but that rolls off the tongue of the average person. Unfortunately, I can't think of anything.

Is there some movie character that embodies this notion the way that "Being There"'s Chancey Gardner embodies the clueless privilege of people like George W. Bush? Then just like we talk about Chancey Gardner-syndrome, we could talk about xxx-syndrome.


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You're Right, Too (0.00 / 0)
We really do need to name it as a syndrome as well as having a name for the fallacious argument form.  I don't have a nominee right off the bat, but I'll think about it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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You're on to something. (0.00 / 0)
Pop culture is a VERY good place to look. It doesn't have to be movies, though, it could just as easily be a fairy tale or a well-know Saturday Night Live character. But it has to be something that when you say it, people know immediately what you're talking about and recognize the connection.

I'm going to stew on this for a while.

Montani semper liberi


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You're Right (0.00 / 0)
This is so obvious, now that you say it.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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