The Ultimate Frustration Of Political Activism

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Oct 23, 2007 at 15:33


Any discussion that is a variation on "what's wrong with kids today" is bound to be more based on nostalgia and off the cuff cultural perceptions than it will on anything approaching historical or intellectual solidity. That is the basic reason that I never commented on Thomas "Suck On This" Friedman's "why aren't the kids marching in the streets" editorial, or really on Al Gore's "why aren't the kids lying in front of bulldozer's" comment a few months back. Rather than actual cultural inquiries, both the Freidman and Gore commentaries are generalized dismissals of contemporary youth for not conforming to pre-existing stereotypes.

The fact is, that large numbers of Americans under the age of 30, or whenever the "youth" line is drawn, are both politically active and quite progressive. Everyone knows that political campaigns and the netroots, for example, have heavy amounts of youth volunteer and professional participation. Political activism is actually well-up nationwide, and that includes among young people as well. Overall, this is the most left-wing and Democratic generation since the New Deal, and it turns out to vote in numbers roughly equal to young voters throughout the past thirty-five years. So, when I hear commentary from aging Baby Boomers about why aren't young people taking to the streets and engaging in civil disobedience, I chalk it up as a lazy comparison to a fuzzy, nostaligic view of their childhood, the bizarre expectation among older human beings that younger human beings should act according to those fuzzy, nostalgic memories, and the strange American obsession with an arbitrary identity concept known as a "generation." My eyes really tend to roll when I read passages like this:

I am impressed because they are so much more optimistic and idealistic than they should be. I am baffled because they are so much less radical and politically engaged than they need to be.

If the "they" in question were pretty much any other identity category other than age, such as gender, ethnicity, religion, nationality or sexual orientation, such a passage would read as an offensive relic of nineteenth century Sepncerist Social Darwinism. But, I guess, because we are talking about "age," it is OK to keep having these conversations.

There has still been a lot of commentary about Freidman's piece, just as there has also been discussion of Gore's comments. Ezra Klein, Courtney Martin, and Brian Beutler are just some of those who have offered commentary. The basic conclusions from these young progressives is that twenty somethings feel either overwhelmed or that past political tactics have proven ineffectual, and thus don't engage in the political tactics of the past. They all write from the "we" in this perspective, something that I am not sure I am still allowed to do at the age of 33. However, based on my personal experience, I would like to throw out another possibility for why political activism of "today's youth" isn't as visible to aging Boomers like Freidman and Gore. As I noted yesterday, in order to engage in self-starting political activism, usually you need to feel as though your "leaders" have failed you. However, successful self-starting political activism tends to help those same "leaders" more than it helps you. In essence, you end up doing their dirty work for them, and get nothing in return. That is endlessly frustrating.

Looking back over the past several years of my life, this is a pattern I can see time and time again. You help organize a union where you work, and lose your job for a while as a result. You help out with Howard Dean's campaign, and then the same Democratic establishment that the campaign railed against benefits from the new wave of small donor activism. You help organize new unions in a different state, and the powerful head of the local has all organizing positions cut because the new members threaten his position as local president. You run for Democratic Party office, and get harangued by the chair of your regional caucus at meetings for not just doing everything he tells you to do. You help raise $2M for Democratic candidates, push them to run on an Iraq withdrawal platform for more than a year, conduct Googlebombs against all their opponents, and help transfer $3M to the DCCC toward the end of the campaign, and you are immediately and repeatedly told on national television by the people you helped that this victory was a rejection of both progressivism in general and you in particular. Later on, you are condemned by the Congress you helped elect.

This is a serious problem with successful, self-starting activism: the benefits are often reaped by the same "leaders" whose failure caused you to conduct the organizing in the first place. This is what I meant in my Pretenders to the New Democratic Majority piece a few weeks ago. They get to govern because of what you do. In return, because of your dedication you get to see your relationships fall apart, you get to lose your job now and again, your bank account gets drained, your health care goes unpaid for a couple years, and you get repeatedly condemned either in Congress, national TV or whatever other forum comes to mind for being too left-wing, too vulgar, or simply unhelpful. This really sucks. I mean, one of the only reasons you started the activism in the first place is because these same leaders kept failing, time and time again. Union density was dropping, Democratic Presidents who passed NAFTA were being impeached for being too left wing, elections were being stolen, wars were being started, huge monetary giveaways were being made to corporations and the wealthy, the planet's ecosystem was being destroyed, the local Democratic Party had not canvassed your block in eight years, and the "leaders" in the relevant fields had utterly failed to stop any of it. You started getting active to help stop all of this from happening and, in the end, when you are actually successful, those same leaders get to reap the rewards.

Your life doesn't improve, but their's does. And then, when its all over, first they condemn you, and then they ask you why you aren't more politically active. While that makes me want to pick up my pitchfork and torch and engage in as many intra-party struggles as possible, I can understand why for many it would cause them to instead wonder what was on television, or to simply transfer their activism to volunteer social justice work and lifestyle choices. Really, what is the point of continuing to do their dirty work for them?

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Street Protesters are age diverse (4.00 / 4)
In my experience -thoughout the build-up and execution of the occupation of Iraq the anti-war steet protesters and vigil attendees are not limited to any age group. 

I'm in my mid 40's and there is generally an age-span that includes elders and younger folks. 

The lack of effective and sustained street protests (a'la the early 1970s) is not a failure of the young - its a failure of us all.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


Well said (4.00 / 1)
"The lack of effective and sustained street protests (a'la the early 1970s) is not a failure of the young - its a failure of us all."

It is definitely a shirking of personal responsibility to ask why others aren't marching in the streets.

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Then Why Bash (0.00 / 0)
Gore for mentioning marching in the streets by suggesting he is a fossil?

So, when I hear commentary from aging Baby Boomers about why aren't young people taking to the streets and engaging in civil disobedience, I chalk it up to lazy comparison to a fuzzy, nostaligic view of their childhood, the bizarre expectation among older human beings that younger human beings should act according to those fuzzy, nostalgic memories, and the strange American obsession with an arbitrary identity concept known as a "generation."

In your quote above you are dismissing "aging Baby Boomers", while in your response above you are agreeing with them.

This is not the first time I have read you putting down Boomers and I don't understand why you do so. You are aging yourself everyday and every year. Arguably you are wiser today than you were when your were 23. One would hope you will be wiser when you are 43 than you are today, and wiser when you 53 than you were at 43. So don't be so quick to dismiss the wisdom of those who have walked before you. Especially when the activism of the '60's and early '70's accomplished so much more than the keyboard warriors of today. So much more.

I'm sure you are a student of The Progressive Era in the early 1900's. It is a good model for the reforms needed today. But today is different than that era or the 60's in that the media is different and the information overload combined with fast paced lifestyles calls for even more intensity than back then. And that intensity cannot be generated sitting on ones duff at home behind a computer. It's pretty clear that a very small percentage of keyboard warriors actually get involved at a level that makes a difference. Your post regarding Richardson yesterday and the ineffectiveness of the Netroots alluded to that.

In the 1900's people would travel to attend tent meetings and become organized and take the strategies and tactics promoted and learned there back to their states and cities - much like Sirota advocates with his Progressives States involvement. That is what should happen at YearlyKos and Take Back America but it doesn't. And until it does the current Progressive Movement will continue to wallow in wwwland and your frustration expressed in your post today will continue.

What is that old definition of insanity? Keep doing what...


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Because boomers caused this mess in the 80s (0.00 / 0)
and now they're bitching at the younger generations, and asking why this mess isn't getting fixed.  Even in 1984, Mondale anticipated the problems with long-term implementation of Regannomics, yet no one voted for him.

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Gore and Friedman (0.00 / 0)
are wrong on at least two counts:

1) They single out the youth for condemnation when the "failure" is most certainly not only due to that demographic.

2) They complain that others are not doing what they, themselves, are not doing.  Yes, you can make that case that Gore is a political activist and perhaps a successful one - but when is the last time he was in a protest march? 

Why do you consider it "bashing" him to point this out?


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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First of all (0.00 / 0)
the points you brought up were not the reasons that the diarist was bashing Gore - so you may want to stay on point instead of building straw men.

Secondly everyone has a way to contribute. Gore has his WAY that most of the youth he is talking about cannot do. Not everyone can travel the world and talk to world leaders and win Nobels. So he wonders why those who cannot do what he does don't do what they can and are perfectly capable of.

It's not like marching in the streets is a new thing. Marching in protest has taken place since the beginning of civilized man - this is not just a generational thing as the diarist tries to describe it. It is an effective human action that is responsible for many positive changes in the history of the world.

It seems that the younger generation has some very thin skin when it comes to listening to those who have walked before them. The younger generation is very quick to criticize those older than them as is evidenced on the blogs - but also very quick to reject criticism coming back the other way. That doesn't wash.

It is pretty obvious that being keyboard warriors is not working. The diarist alluded to that in a previous days diary. So if it is not working what are you going to do? Either invent another method that will work - or do what has worked for centuries...

or do nothing different at all and just complain when people look at those of you who are complaining about how things are but refuse to do anything different than the ineffective things they are doing.

If you want change - - CHANGE.


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what's the point? (0.00 / 0)
the media either won't cover it, overreports counter protest numbers, massively (and i mean MASSIVELY) underreports the numbers, and then the douchebag in cheif says he ignores them anyway.

How are you going to motivate people for something that is one giant waste of time?

-C.


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All that is true (0.00 / 0)
Yes - the media undercounts and under-represents but that's part of the reason to join the march.  At a certain point, the undercounting and wish to discount becomes self defeating - when the numbers are too big to ignore, or write-off - those trying to do so are revealed for what they are - apologists for the regime.

I should come clean - I prefer the kind of marches that disrupt the city traffic - I want to bring the issue home, I want everyone to "feel" it, even if its just getting delayed in traffic.  I know that not every street protester agrees.

What better use of a walk down the street than to upset the status quo - if only for a few hours - or a few days?

The mass protests in Ukraine, for example - by what measure were those a waste of time?  What do you think would have been the result of large groups of concerned citizens occupying Washington DC after the 2000 election - and REFUSING TO LEAVE until the scandal was ironed out?  (of course, SOME leadership from Gore himself would have been necessary, too - but that's another discussion).

Perhaps, you don't believe that the street protests had any effect during the Viet Nam war?  Some argue that they did very little - is that your position?



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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There is a much large point here (4.00 / 2)
than who was at street protests.  How do you sustain a level of political energy when everything keeps going so badly and even when your side wins, the wrong peopple are still in power and nothing happens?

It is getting to this 65 year old geezer too.  Really.  And I don't have an answer, except to fall back on small changes that one can effect in ones community.

John McCain--He's not who you think he is.


Well, Remember the Fight For Women's Suffrage (0.00 / 0)
That was a very long and frustrating fight, and they, too, faced exactly this same problem.  Or look at blacks after Reconstruction was dismantled, having to win their freedoms all over again in another 100-year fight.  Yet, people found a way to persevere.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
the black example seems to be what mimikatz (0.00 / 0)
was saying, though--the black movement had 60 years of Booker T. Washingtons and George Washington Carvers before real progress started to open up again in the 1940s, with the integration of the armed services, and Jackie Robinson.

[ Parent ]
Simply an example of political engagement (0.00 / 0)
I did not mean to imply that street protests are the only way to be engaged with an issue.


"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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The generational shift (4.00 / 2)
is fascinating.

I came of political age in the 1980's.  My generation was used to getting beaten like a drum when it counted.  We grew used to the idea that our views were those of the minority.  This led to a certain timidity - a tendency which I fight to this day.

Those that came after us are different: their experience with Iraq has shown them that THEY reflect the MAJORITY of the country.  In this sense I actually trust their judgement on many things more than my own.

But the youth of today have lost a lesson that my generation inherited from our hippy forefathers.  Every primary race from 1968 to 1988 was defined by an insurgency effort against the party establishment.  The lessons were powerful:
*The Democratic establishment is weak
*You don't need much money to overthrow them
*What you do need is a strong grassroots effort in the early states.

We knew these lessons on a gut level - we KNEW how it felt to take on the party establishment and win.  When I worked for Hart I didn't give up when we were down by 40 points nationally, because the people around me had been there before and gone on to win.  They knew how to direct their energy on things that mattered.

The contrast with today's generation could not be more stark.  Because they have never seen a successful insurgent effort, I do not think they fully understand the process.  They obsess about fund raising numbers rather than on grass roots organization.  They worry about Hillary's strength in National Polls and don't understand the significance of her weakness in Iowa. 

And right now I sense they are giving into Hillary.  In Manchester over the weekend it felt like the party was going through the 5 stages of death with Hillary Clinton.  I even sense it in the blogs.

It is sad - and I fear the energy the young bring will fade as a result. 


yeah it's an easy fall back ... (0.00 / 0)
but the media doesn't help either .. with their inevitability nonsense ... also .. who wants to get arrested for public disturbance now? .. look at the RNC convention? .. young people don't want to have answer questions about why a background check showed arrests for public disturbance .. they didn't have the methods for doing background checks for job openings 35 and 40 years ago

[ Parent ]
word (4.00 / 2)
I don't see any point it being apathetic as national politics clearly matters, but it seems to be an increasingly futile means for me to build power for myself, the people I trust, and to address the issues I see as important.

I don't know what it takes to "break in" to national politics -- maybe you just have to totally own some elected official -- but it's going on five years now and it doesn't seem like much progress has been made other than being part of a general tide-turn against the war and corruption, which I believe would have happened anyway, though somewhat more slowly.

The burning question in my mind is what alternate avenues can be pursued to build power and enact systemic change. Seizing control (or meaningful influence) over the currently centralized power elite is a 20-year task at least. Hard to keep the faith over that kind of haul without some interem encouragement.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


Killing me softly (4.00 / 1)
To me the best explanation was Georgia10 at Daily Kos.
I cannot speak conclusively as to how previous generations have viewed our government--as an oppressor, as an adversary, etc.  But I would venture to say that my generation views government as a complete joke.

After all, we grew up and came of age in an era where our "government" was defined by blow jobs, blue stained dresses, and Bushisms.  We have come of age in a time where political discourse revolves around childhood taunts and bumper sticker slogans.  We have been shaped by an era of political absurdity, where government is neither threatening nor worthy of respect, but is rather viewed as a tragic parody of what once was the greatest system of governance....

And so, Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert and the Onion thrive.  And so, we suffer through incompetence by turning to sarcasm and wit and, yes, cynicism to carry us through.  We do so because it is much easier to laugh than to cry, much easier to embrace the carnival of it all than to contemplate the damage and its lasting impact.

This is exactly how I have been feeling lately. I thought that things were so bad for progressives because Republicans were in power so, starting in 2003, I did what I could to support Democrats. Then in 2006 we finally won, and... nothing. I thought that Barack Obama would change things. That, despite his shortcomings, he would make politics not a joke anymore. He didn't. (And none of the other candidates are any better.)

When you feel like you have the opportunity to make things better you protest, you lay down in front of tanks, you work. When you don't feel like anything you do can make any effect, you cultivate your garden.


most concise and well written "response" yet. (0.00 / 0)
and I completely and utterly agree, it's totally unfair to compare what's happening now with then... the entire gameboard is different.

hell, so's the game!

And what does that say about those of us that get kicked in the face repeatedly but still soldier on?

Quite a bit i'd say, especially considering how many of those from Friedman's generation "sold out" and became yuppies.

-C.


Pay NO Attention To Friedman, But... (4.00 / 2)
Back in 2000/2001, when I was putting in major hours at LA Indymedia, I become initimately familiar with how utterly clueless Thomas Friedman is.  He seems to regard it as a badge of honor not to actually know anything at all about the people he criticizes, relying instead on 100% gossip.

However, I think there is a tiny nugget of significance and relevance in Gore's remarks, which has to do with the gravity and extremity of the situation we face.  It is certainly true that mass-march-centerd protest does not seem particularly efficacious in this day and age, so I'm not endorsing or echoing his call--just pointing out that there is a non-lame way of interpreting what he was saying, which I think captures at least part of what he was trying to communicate.

The sad truth is, mass marches have never been all that effective politically in and of themselves.  The Civil Rights Movement was an exception that proves the rule--after centuries of slavery, and almost a century of post-slavery apartheid, the moment was finally ripe when that sort of organizing payed a key role in making up a lot of ground in a very short time.

But usually, large marches are primarily a show of force, a demonstration of the power and efficacy of an ongoing movement, and it is the movement, not the demonstrtions it mounts, that changes history, and that inevitably takes a lot longer than building demonstrations does.

This is what's needed right now--development of contemporary, innovative ways of showing force in other ways, and hopefully doing even more, as the Civil Rights Movement did, when its shows of force were many others things as well--calls of conscience, acts of witness, shows of defiance, etc.  There are no easy answers to this, but sooner or later each age does find new forms of effective action, as well as new ways to revivify old forms.

And this is the one thing that redeems the overall injustice that you highlight further down in this diary--those of us who fight for justice don't do it for ourselves.  If we were in it for ourselves, we'd be the very people we despise.  We are in it for the sake of everyone, for the sake of a better world--or, even just for the sake of any world at all surviving so that others like us in future generations will have a chance to continue the fight.

Which is why it's also important for us to honor, respect, learn from, and derive inspiration from those who went before us.  I've said this before, and I'll say it again, if you think we have it bad, just remember Denmark Vessy, Nat Turner and Gabrielle Prosser.  The leaders of slave revolts not only faced impossible odds, but also terrible punishments, and yet, their hopeless efforts were precisely what made later victories possible.  In the long view of history, they were the victors, and the slaveowners those rose up against were the losers.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Another example of an effective mass protest: (4.00 / 1)
The AIDS marches in the 80s.  I think the key to an effective protest movement has to be that it is a marginalized, forgotten group that decides to go out in public and demand to not be forgotten, and that demands to be treated fairly.  Weather it's children facing fire hoses or gays screaming that they are dying and noone cares, this gets to people.

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Excellent Point! (0.00 / 0)
Which helps to sharpen what I was trying to say by highlighting why such mass demonstrations are so much more vital for some causes than for others.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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Almost (0.00 / 0)
"But usually, large marches are primarily a show of force, a demonstration of the power and efficacy of an ongoing movement, and it is the movement, not the demonstrtions it mounts, that changes history, and that inevitably takes a lot longer than building demonstrations does."

True enough - but every single marcher need not be a part of that "movement" beyond the impluse to get up and get into the streets.  Nor is it necessary for every street protest to serve some long-term political movement - sometimes the immediate concern is enough to get people up in arms (so to speak).  In fact, the anti-Iraq War protests in which I have participated are often used by those fomenting "movements" to try and get the marchers to support them.  They distribute literature, make speeches, glad-hand - they are trying to sell me on their ideas - their ideas aren't driving the protest.

I also think about the mass protests following elections percieved as corrupt (generally outside of the USA).  These have accomplished changes in regime. Or marches in response to some public event - like publishing cartoons, or assassinating film-makers - these have been successful in getting a political point or two across - even if they were not directly tied to some long-term movement.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


[ Parent ]
An excellent thread, and, as usual (0.00 / 0)
Paul, your comments are well made. So true that mass marches have not moved the political millstone very far in the short-term; it is always the cumulative effect of demonstration, organization, and recycle that creates change. And, generally, it is such a ponderous, and often dangerous, process that the heros and heroines have been supplanted by the time that change is recognized.

Be that as it may, here we are on Open Left, which has a particular program involving challenges to Bush Dogs. This is a very good organizing strategy and tool. Primaries especially are "eyeball-to-eyeball" occasions which create the conditions for effective political discussions with our neighbors. Demonstrations can be effective; ongoing discussions are better. (I say this from lots of personal experience.)

By the way - did I mention that I'm running for president?


[ Parent ]
Question (4.00 / 1)
You've just outlined why the most effective progressive Baby Boomers ended up pursuing "outside" strategies for most of their lives.

Is there a way to do inside/outside so the useless don't dominate the inside?

Can it happen here?


This is where "continuing revolutions" (0.00 / 0)
comes from, I think:

"Is there a way to do inside/outside so the useless don't dominate the inside?"

The "way" is to continually replace the "useless" inside with the more active "outside". 

The trick is to do so without setting off some kind of mass blood-letting, or fall back on the extreme "security measures" of a totalitarian police state. Of course, there are other pit-falls, but brevity precludes an exhaustive list. "Democracy" is one way of doing this, but it too, has short-comings.

The problem is that "dominating the inside" can be quite lucretive for those involved in doing so, and they tend to cling tightly to their "power", even when they KNOW what it is like on the outside.  They are human beings, after all.

The question is: how hard are the outsiders willing to "shake the system" in order to displace the useless insiders?  Because if you shake too hard, maybe it will all just fall apart, eh?  Or maybe one should not shake the system at all - and spend more time and effort becoming an insider?  How one answers this question (among others to be sure) says something about where they stand on a political spectrum - especially if you include those that would just as soon smash the "system" and start over from scratch.



"It sounds wrong...
     ...but its right."


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Amen, brother (4.00 / 1)
This is something that cuts across any kind of arbitrary "generational" lines. And the feeling is there, proportionally, down to the mildest involvement. I am tired of being an ATM for people who treat me like a chump.

This gets to the things Matt was saying a while ago about primaries, too. When he talked about a "market failure", my thought at the time was that it felt like the kind of mistake that fans of a TV show make when they complain that the network is ignoring them (yeah, pretty trivial example, but I can only work with what I know...). What they don't get - or don't want to accept - is that they aren't the customers: they're the PRODUCT. Same with voters. We aren't the customers, we're the crop.

We need an alternative power structure, we need to organize, and most importantly, somehow, figure out how to connect to the much bigger group of people who spend their time and attention on other things than politics. If people felt like it mattered to them to choose something other than the usual fare - and that it would actually make a difference - then we might be able to get somewhere. I just wish I had any kind of idea about how to bring that all out of PonyLand and into the world...

not everything worth doing is profitable. not everything profitable is worth doing.


Your line about feeling like an ATM (0.00 / 0)
captures exactly my feeling as well.

[ Parent ]
It's Happened Before (4.00 / 1)
Sadly, what you're talking about with regard to others reaping the rewards of the hard work of activists is a common theme of social movements. Just one of many examples is the civil rights movement in the 1960s. In Mississippi, the black activists of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee rooted themselves in black communities for five years, from 1961 to 1965, to organize blacks to register to vote (a focus that was encouraged by the Kennedy administration, by the way).

Blacks were systematically excluded from voting, by legal maneuvers, economic reprisals, and terror. Lest we forget, there was terror in the United States long before September 11, 2001, and it was directed at black people in the South, in Mississippi preeminently.

SNCC's efforts, along with those of the largely white volunteers during Mississippi Freedom Summer in 1964, were one of the key factors that led to passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. After these organizers had endured beatings, arrests, death threats, and bombings of their homes and offices, they were largely shoved aside as the Voting Rights Act eventually allowed blacks to register and organize politically. The black middle class, which came lately to the struggle, took over the spaces of political power and patronage jobs that the Movement had opened up. Still, as Paul Rosenberg said, it is the activists of the civil rights movement who are, and will be, remembered, not those who took advantage of their sacrifices.

This story, along with many, more inspiring aspects, is told in two admirable books, Local People: The Struggle for Civil Rights in Mississippi, by John Dittmer, and Freedom Summer, by Doug McAdam. For those who are committed to social activism as a lifelong (or many-year) choice and feel the personal costs (and benefits) of that choice, I highly recommend McAdam's book, which is in large part about the consequences. Another book that looks at the personal consequences of activism is Dick Flacks' Beyond the Barricades. They all are useful in gaining some perspective about the "long haul" that Mike Lux wrote about in a post a while ago. Though you are not credited for the work and ideas by those who have ripped them off from you, the readers of Open Left know you have done, Chris. 


The Ultimate Frustration Of Political Activism (0.00 / 0)
I hear you Chris. As someone who was not very engaged until 2005, I cannot believe how unresponsive our elected representatives to the potential total loss of freedom in this country. Homeland Security is implementing a program next year that will impose ultimate restrictions on domestic and international travel. Naomi Wolf is so right, we are on the path of dictatorship.

Link:
http://www.boingboin...


Snowball Effect (0.00 / 0)
I agree with much of what has been said above, but I would like to add another layer to the conversation.

Since the 50s and particularly since the late 70s/early 80s we have grown up with a corporate mentality and not a civic mentality.

In a corporation, if you don't like your job you're supposed to change jobs (not organize and overthrow); if you don't like a product, you're supposed to not buy that product again.

In a civic mentality you're supposed to take responsibility for the problems and promises around you, and change things around you.

What we are trying to do when we talk about getting people involved is trying to get people-- youth, middle age, seniors to convert from a corporate mentality to a civic mentality.

We need to focus on the bridge between the two: between the corporate mentality and the civic mentality

Activism has a snowball effect. As someone who has barely done anything politically up until very recently, I know that most people need that bridge, need that first small bite. I am 29 years old and only became active about 1 year ago.

I answered a phone banking email for MoveOn in 2005. I figured I would show up and work for a few hours. Then I thought I would go back a couple times. Then I was there every night--I drove straight from work, stopped at a fast food joint, ate on the way, and dialed until they told us to stop. I am now the Columbus volunteer Coordinator for MoveOn and a semi-regular blogger here, Dkos, and Rockridgenation.

But I had to take that first step across that bridge.
And it has snowballed.

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Your Work Made Their Lives Better (0.00 / 0)
Chris, I am not planning to comment on the first half of your post.

The second part really hit a nerve. It does suck that you and friends raised money, recruited candidates, googlebombed, extracted millions from lazy incumbents, etc. yet there is no honorable gratitude and instead poverty. Even worse, the ones whose short sightedness and compromises helped to create the problems have benefited. And the Steve Elmendorfs of the world, and the thousands more like him, get rich and remind us that they were corrupt before (perhaps it was Elmendorf who recommended that Gephardt sell out progressives by standing literally with Bush and support the war).

From where I sit, it is even worse than you so forcefully write.

I am not sure what to do about it other than to keep supporting insurgents, send you money periodically, and be impolite in certain circles.

None of that is terribly helpful. But I really read very closely that posting.

Thanks for everything you have done and are doing.


Why all the defeatism? (0.00 / 0)
Are we not smart enough to come up with a plan to change all this?

As Joe Hill sang, Don't mourn, organize.

Isn't that why OpenLeft was created?


I admire you all (0.00 / 0)
I'm in San Diego dealing with fire-related stuff and a deadline project due tonight, but just wanted to thank you all for the efforts and the comments you contribute to our collective cause.  Reading this thread was pretty moving, especially coming from a situation in which my "basic needs" are feeling somewhat threatened by a natural disaster that calls upon large amounts of government/community support and collective cooperative response. 

For what its worth, I've found that the best (and maybe only) solution to the kind of frustration I hear expressed in this thread is to find some sense of inner peace and identity that isn't dependent on how things "seem to be going" on the outside.  Maybe that can come from taking a long view of history and finding inspiration from past heroes and successes, as Paul seems to be suggesting, or the "faith in God" approach that religious people are able to take.  For others it might be immersing themselves in nature, a loving relationship or some sort of "positive thinking". For me it comes from things like meditation and other practices that help me "let go of" my "attachment" to the things I want without losing my ability to work for them with passion and focus.  It also means letting go of my resistance to people that behave in ways that seem to be dishonest, abusive, etc.  This doesn't mean I put up with their bullshit if I'm able to stop or change it, nor does it mean losing my motivation to change it.  But it does mean letting go of the pain associated with not being able to change it today.  And this type of pain strikes me as an occupational hazard in politics, especially in a system that has gotten as corrupt as ours (perhaps they all are, I don't know).

I'm not talking about complacency...not all all.  What I'm talking about is a feeling that can generate passionate action, but without attachment to the fruits of that action.  It may sound contradictory, but it's quite possible and, to varying degrees, most of us have experienced it at times.  The challenge is to experience it more often and more fully.  Reading this thread, my feeling is that, however you each achieve it, you all deserve it.  And, as someone whose been hard pressed to breath fresh air for the past two days, I suggest you might start with being thankful for that simple blessing (assuming you're not in southern California :-).

And special thanks to Chris for setting this thread in motion and for working and communicating in ways that inspire many people and really do make a difference.


What are the acceptable options? (0.00 / 0)
When a progressive feels unrepresented by (or even betrayed by) his/her elected representative who happens to be a Democrat, and when said progressive is told that his/her only acceptable recourse is to donate/volunteer/vote for still more Democrats (like the one who is currently failing to represent him/her), it'd stand to reason that said progressive would become discouraged and check out of the process altogether.

No matter how onerous and regressive the Democrat on my general election ballot, the "liberal" netroots, almost without exception, tars me as a rube (or worse) if I dare vote for a competing candidate who more closely matches my progressive values and beliefs.

If the definition of "crashing the gates" is voting solely and unconditionally for the corporate-owned tool with the (D) after his/her name (and branding as traitors those who fail to do likewise), it's no wonder that some folks feel as though gate-crashing is for the birds.

Patrick Meighan
Los Angeles Greens


Not a rube, but evidently not a Democrat either (0.00 / 0)
Thus are primary challenges conceived. Primary challenges from the left generally do have the effect of moving incumbents in that direction. Progressives can and do have influence in the Democratic Party. Some D incumbents actually do understand that progressive positions are good politics.

And should one lose the primary, yes, there is a good bit of "holding one's nose and voting for the D" happening. Because there is a far worse alternative - having the R win.

Democratic Party members have influence with their D representatives. The R's ignore anyone who hasn't drunk their Kool-Aid.

You are welcome to influence your Green Party officeholders. Who knows, maybe it'll help the local D's be more progressive when they have to challenge incumbent G's. Let us know how that works out.

Karl in Drexel Hill, PA


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