Election Thread 2: Democrats Retain Senate Majority

by: Daniel De Groot

Wed Nov 03, 2010 at 00:23


CNN (and others no doubt) has projected Democrats will retain their Senate majority.  Not really enormous news given the very low odds the various prognosticators gave the Republicans of taking the 10 seats they'd need, but in fact Democrats may do better than the 52-48 most likely outcome that Chris Bowers had in his model, and if they win the races they're currently leading (WA, NV, CO) and pull of the upset in AK, they'll end up with 54.  IL looks like a loss to me, but who knows.

Back in 2006, there was a wingnut talking point brewing about Congressional power switches, which claimed that no party had ever won control over the House without also taking the Senate.  As it appeared quite plausible the Democrats would take only the House then and fall just shy on the Senate, this talking point was a typical bizarre wingnut way to try and preemptively deflate the value of 2006 or something.  I never looked it up to confirm it was correct, but I can't think of a time when party control of only the House changed hands.  In 1980, Republicans took the Senate but not the House, and in 1986 Dems took it back, but every other change of power in Congress I can recall has seen both chambers go at once.

Assuming that's correct, the irony is that in 2010, for the first time in US history, the US Senate will fulfill its intended function as the body resistant to rapid swings in public mood during a Congressional election.  That it does so for once in favour of the party slightly less amenable to the interests of the rich is at least some kind of small irony, but really speaks to the utter failure that is the Senate from the very beginning.  It never worked the way the founders claimed, and its disfunction over the past 2 years is significantly responsible for what we just saw.

Good night.

[Update]: 12:30 AM -- via Free Speech TV, Grijalva & DeFazio are now up.

[Update]: 12:42 AM -- NBC calls Harry Reid the victor in NV Senate race.

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Incorrect (4.00 / 2)
It is rare.  The last time the House flipped and the Senate didn't was in a special election in December 1931 that installed John Nance Garner as speaker.  It also happened in the 62nd Congress (1910 election), the 54th and the 48th at which point I quit looking.  In all these cases, the Senate was appointed by state legislatures rather than being directly elected.

In the 65th Congress, Republicans won the most House seats (216) but the Democrats elected the Speaker.

It looks like there was no national general election where the Housew flipped and a directly elected Senate was not with the same party but there was an election where the split was left and many elections prior to the direct election of Senators where the split happened.  


Ah (0.00 / 0)
So since the 17th amendment anyway.  Typical wingnut talking point, so full of caveats and exclusions.

Anyway, it is rare and if the senate worked the way it was intended, it wouldn't be.  FDR and Reagan should have entered office with large House majorities, but the other party still controlling the Senate.  I suspect the un-gerrymanderable nature of the Senate is behind why it tends to flip control more often than the House rather than less, but still yet another way it doesn't work as designed (not that I agree with any of its design goals, just saying...)


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12:30 and 12:42 PM should be AM (0.00 / 0)
I don't think the races were enough of a blow-out to be called that early. ;)

Stupid Pundits (4.00 / 4)
Lots of pundits are trying to read into the different results in the House and Senate.  Why did Republicans take over the House but not the Senate?  Did Pelosi do too much?  Is it redistricting?  Do bigger Senate races make for more moderate results?

No one seems to bother to pay attention to actual results.  Only a third of the Senate was up for election.  These are the results so far:

Senate: 38 seats up for election
Democrats: 11 seats won for 29%
Republicans: 24 seats won (including Alaska) for 63%
TBD: 3

House: 435 seats up for election
Democrats: 180 for 41%
Republicans: 233 for 54%
TBD: 22

So Republicans actually did better in the Senate races then in the House races.  Near as I can tell, not one single pundit has noticed this.  You'd think the fact 2/3 of the Senate wasn't up for reelection would be obvious.


Apparently they don't read Nate Silver (4.00 / 1)
who made the same point here.

I guess it's a lot more fun to overthink it and have a pointless and self-serving discussion.


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You Mean UNDERthink It, Don't You? (4.00 / 1)
I mean, the failure to do basic math....

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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No, overthink (0.00 / 0)
Trying to look for profound, grandiose meta-theories to explain it when the actual reason is in, as you put it, basic math.

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Republicans Already Effectively Controlled Senate (0.00 / 0)
Don't you think? With Lieberman and Nelson and a few others, and a refusal to lift the filibuster, it seemed the Senate was stalled. Indeed, people have argued the Dems would lose the House because of Senate intransigence. So now we have a Republican House and a Senate gridlocked. It'll be even more fun with a few Tea Party Senators, if they got in.

Whatever happens, the country will not get the economic relief we need. It'll be more of the same income inequality caused by the usual policy suspects. With Obama dutifully tacking even more to the right.


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Wave elections often have WTF victories (0.00 / 0)
that no one expected.  I think I see one here: MN-8.  With 98% reporting, Democrat James Oberstar is losing by less than 2 points to his Republican opponent Chip Cravaack.

Also, in CA-11, with 97% reporting, Republican David Harmer is ahead of Democrat Jerry McNerney by 23 votes.


121 up now (0.00 / 0)
it says 100% in

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I have a bad feeling. (4.00 / 2)
My intuition told me that Rossi is going to take my state's seat.  Maybe it had to do with the way the progressive amendments/referendums in Washington State failed, the income tax 35% to 65%, and a number of reactionary anti-tax ones passed.  Washington voters basically decided they don't want to raise taxes by taxing the wealthiest and they want to repeal taxes on soda pop and candy while making it even more difficult for the legislature to raise taxes ever all at the time our budget is so bad we're losing basic services.  My congressional district has been mostly Democratic my whole life but was leaning to the Tea Party candidate who ran on his own underpants gnome theory:

1) Cut government spending
2) ?
3) Results in creating more high wage jobs.

Then I had the same gut reaction about Colorado.

That means that we just scraped by keeping the Senate, because if we'd lost one more I think Lieberman would have flipped.

So with a 51 majority including Lieberman & Sanders we keep the majority.  But with the Blue Dogs wanting to work with the Republicans isn't it possible the Republicans could end up with a working majority to pass their legislation?

But then the Democrats could still use procedural control to stop any bill.  I mean they could filibuster.  That's when I got a worse feeling.

Then I read some comments in HuffPo where some were talking about not to worry about the House because Obama would veto, veto, veto.  Then I got the worst feeling.

What have the Republicans been saying?  They are going to stand on principle and cut spending, lower taxes and over turn health care.  What have the White House and its water carriers been saying?  They are sure they'll find a way to work with the Republicans.

I have a bad feeling.

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