Clinton's Position Appears To Be Strengthening

by: Chris Bowers

Fri Aug 10, 2007 at 13:29:48 PM EDT


As I showed in my nomination at a glance update yesterday, Hillary Clinton has improved her position in Iowa, and nationally, in recent weeks.  Given that all of the top candidates will have more than enough money to compete during the primary season, the only truly negative mark for her was that Obama had pulled to within four points in New Hampshire. However, now a new poll from New Hampshire shows her lead in the state to be as strong as ever:

Hart (D) and McLaughlin (R), July 24-26, 504 LVs, no trendlines
Clinton: 36
Obama: 19
Edwards: 15
Richardson: 12
Kucinich: 2
Biden: 2
Dodd: 1
Gravel: 0
Undecided: 13

This moves the four-poll average in New Hampshire to Clinton 34.0%, Obama 25.3%, Edwards 13.3%, Richardson 9.5%.  With her national advantage currently sitting at 15.3%, I calculate that she is only four points away from being able to survive a defeat in Iowa and New Hampshire and still be the frontrunner for the nomination.  In fact, with a 9.3% advantage in New Hampshire, she is only three points away there from being able to survive a second-place finish in Iowa to Obama and still win New Hampshire. Right now, I calculate she already can survive a third-place Iowa finish to Edwards and Obama in Iowa and still take New Hampshire (narrowly to be sure, but she can still do it).  The only truly bad situation for her right now would be a third or fourth place finish in Iowa coupled with an Obama victory in Iowa.  However, as I pointed out yesterday, Clinton has taken the lead in Iowa.

Her advantage is also not a mirage of unlikely primary voters, as I suggested during The Inflated Clinton Poll Theory from April-May on MyDD. Gallup recently produced data screening their national polls for several different levels of likely voters, and found no significant negative drop for Clinton in the tighter screens:

[O]ur analysis suggests at this point there is little difference at the national level in candidate preferences even when we analyze smaller groups of more hard-core voters. For our latest national poll, we narrowed the sample down to those Democrats who said they were "extremely likely" to vote in the Democratic primary in their state next year. No difference. Hillary Clinton heads by 20 points over Obama [instead of 22 points].

Clinton only drops two points relative to Obama in a tighter voter screen. Given Obama's relative strength among Democratic leaning independents, that number is probably more than erased by the states with "closed" primaries, where Democratic-leaning independents are unable to vote (such as New York and Pennsylvania). While Clinton may be doing better among less likely caucus goers in Iowa, that does not appear to be the case nationally.  While voters who are actually undecided disproportionately choose Clinton when pushed, even that shows that Clinton has a significant advantage among undecided voters, that further suggests the strength of her position. In short, the Inflated Clinton Poll Theory appears to point to a negligible difference in polls, rather than a significant one.

I point all of this out to make it as clear as possible that Hillary Clinton's lead is large, continuing to grow, and not in anyway similar to the advantages enjoyed by Lieberman and Gephardt in 2004. While both of them were consistently trending downward nationally and in Iowa respectively due to high, and not very favorable, name recognition among Democrats, Hillary Clinton is instead well-liked among the base and facing two high-name ID challengers in Edwards and Obama. It also does not appear that direct attacks on Hillary Clinton are working very well, since she trended noticeably upward during the foreign policy "spat" with Obama. Rather than the 2004 campaign, a much better analogy for Hillary Clinton's advantage is the 1984 and 2000 campaigns. Both of those campaigns featured former Democratic Vice-Presidents, which is basically what Hillary Clinton is for the rank and file right now. As Joe Trippi commented in my first post along these lines back in January:

Chris -- Her numbers are more like Vice President Mondale's in 1984 or even Vice President Al Gore's before the 2000 primaries.  It will be very difficult to stop Hillary Clinton from gaining the nomination -- it can be done -- but not by any candidate who wages a "paint by the numbers" campaign.  Gary Hart challenged Mondale and almost defeated him -- but he did it with a bold -- "New ideas" unorthodox campaign. In the end the machinery of the Mondale candidacy (full disclosure - I worked for Mondale that cycle) was too much for the Hart insurgency.  If Hillary Clinton is defeated it will be by a bold, new, insurgent campaign.

I think that is basically right. In order for Clinton to not win the nomination, it will require someone to challenge her with a campaign that stands out from history in the way it is run. I think that if that campaign currently existed, then the progressive blogosphere would have largely lined up behind it already, not unlike large sectors of it did for Howard Dean in 2004. Or, perhaps Edwards and Obama already all the equivalent of Clark and Dean in 2004, and so this process is already under way. I also do not entirely know what terms like "bold, new, insurgent campaign" or "a campaign that stands out from history" mean, as they tend to be vague. I guess that might be an "I know it when I see it," sort of thing.

But how, if or even whether Hillary Clinton should / could lose the nomination are questions for another post. For now, I think it suffices as a stand alone point to demonstrate just how strong polling currently shows her to be. She will be very difficult to beat.

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"a campaign that stands out from history" (0.00 / 0)
Would an Oscar-winning, potential Nobel Laureate, movie-star, grassroots organizer and passionate advocate, former Vice President and would-be President, and successful Silicon Valley businessman do the trick?

Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.

If only he had the guts..... (4.00 / 2)
But I think we all know that Gore is not getting into this race. I think it is very clear that Hillary is running away with this thing and that bothers me beyond belief. In every single debate she has said something that, to me, throws up a red flag. And whether this was suggesting that "lobbyists are people too" during YK or suggesting that presidential candidates should not always be truthful during the AFL-CIO debate, someone mainstream Democratic voters aren't seeing what I'm seeing. She makes me angry. People who blindly follow her because of her last name and her gender bother me. The fact that she is still leading in the polls despite our efforts to help other campaigns bothers me. And, perhaps most of all, it bothers me that the two progressives, obama and edwards, are not full-out attacking her every single day for her bush/cheney/liberman light positions.

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Clinton (4.00 / 1)
I've noticed that too.  I worked a voter reg booth for our county party last weekend here in California.  In addition to registering voters, we had literature and buttons/stickers, of course.  The Hillary buttons flew off the shelf.  Almost every person that walked by asked for a Hillary button, and I definitely got the impression that the less informed the voter seemed, the more likely they were to ask for a Hillary button.  The few people we had actual political conversations with were Obama or Edwards supporters.  I got the impression that a lot of the Hillary supporters were thinking "Bill Clinton was a good president, Hillary will be too."

Rudy Giuliani hates firefighters. And puppies.

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Mind Readers Unite Against Hillary! (4.00 / 2)
I definitely got the impression that the less informed the voter seemed, the more likely they were to ask for a Hillary button.

ICK!  That comment reeks of pretension!  It also reminds me of W who claims similar telepathic and omni-prescient abilities.


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agreed (4.00 / 1)
I think the centristy, old-guard business establishment likes the idea of HRC. In much the same way as an empty "front-man" is more predictable or equally unpredictable, Hillary Clinton's staggering unpopularity makes her more predictable, because if she betrays any promises she has made to John Mack et al., she can be easily destroyed.

I also think that Hillary is gaining a huge amount from the "default candidate equals inevitable candidate" notion. The splintering of liberal interests has allowed Clinton to effectively ignore them.

The festering split between the Edwards and Obama camps is also causing a huge problem, and I don't see any realistic solution other than one of them dropping out. Obama would seem to have the anti-Hillary initiative, but if Edwards rolls up a lot of union endorsements, he will have a big leg up against Obama, and the battle to be the anti-Clinton will only rage further, ensuring that whoever emerges the victor will emerge too late.

I also think that, if Edwards were to somehow gain the upper hand against Obama and win that fight, Hillary will gain a huge number of African-American votes. Aside from an unpredictable and, in my view, unlikely white liberal groundswell in Edwards' favor that cuts against both Obama and Clinton, I cannot perceive a single scenario by which Edwards denies Hillary the nomination.

However, if Edwards rolls up lots of unions, he will be fighting until the bitter end.


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All About Iowa (0.00 / 0)
If Hillary wins Iowa, I'd say its safe to say she is the nominee. If Edwards wins this, he can have a change to go on and fight the good fight. But the best thing that could happen (and I'm an Edwards supporter!) to the anti-Hillary movement would be that Obama somehow won IA and then followed that up with an impressive showing at NH. At this point, Edwards would be out and would likely send his supporters to Obama and, if he split Super Tuesday, we might have a deadlock at the convention.

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so... (0.00 / 0)
as an Edwards supporter ... under what scenario could Edwards win?

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heh n/t (0.00 / 0)


Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.

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The scenario for Edwards (4.00 / 1)
There are two scenarios:

1. Win Iowa with Clinton in second, but pull to within 10 points or less in New Hampshire, and 17 points or less nationally, before the Iowa caucus begins. That should put him ahead nationally after NEw Hampshire.

2. Win Iowa with Clinton in third, and pull within 10 points of Obama in New Hampshire, and 16 points of Clinton in New Hampshire. That should also do the trick

Edwards has actually been in this position a couple of times during the campaign already, but the most recent time was in late May. He is slumping a bit, but there are still opportunities for him.

Obama has more scenarios, as long as Clinton does not win Iowa. that would close the door on the entire field.



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Doesn't that (0.00 / 0)
seem like an insanely long-shot set of parameters to you?

Edwards has lost substantial votes in NH even though he ran an ad up there. He seems to be around the 26 percent range no matter how you slice the IA Dems (maybe anecdotally it's significantly higher among caucusgoers. I dunno.)

Sure, there are opportunities for him. ... but relative to everything he faces?

I know you are high on Edwards, but let's say Edwards upstages Obama in both IA and NH. Where do the AA's go? Clinton. Clinton will get enough union support so that Edwards' relative union advantage is pretty minimal.

Also, aren't you taking the Edwards08/Kerry04 comparison pretty far? Kerry had a ton of institutional support ready to provide rocket fuel to his slingshot out of Iowa. Institutionally, other than a decent chunk of unions, Edwards gets pure contempt. What if he doesn't get a ton of good press after Iowa? What if he wins Iowa and the MSM yawn, "He has lived there since 2003, on to NH"?


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Kerry (4.00 / 1)
spent a lot more time and effort on Iowa than anyone else save Gephardt. If you count the popular vote, he only squeaked by in Iowa. That still didn't stop the media from covering it as a surprising, come-from-behind, smashing victory. And the press had no love for Kerry, either.

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they had no love for kerry later (0.00 / 0)
on.

At the time, they were ecstatic that Dean had been pwned.


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They had no love for Kerry (4.00 / 1)
early on, either. About this time in the race, Kerry was getting expensive haircut stories (no, really) and stories on how he ate a Philly cheese steak.

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good point re gore as well.. (4.00 / 1)
I thought Gore was at war with the Clinton establishment after he endorsed Dean. A Gore endorsement of Obama or (less likely imho) Edwards would be a major X factor in the race--it doubled Dean's national numbers overnight. Democratic establishmentarians have absolutely no respect for Edwards, and Gore is pretty establishmentarian, even if he isn't very insidery.

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Gore won't run (4.00 / 3)
I like Al Gore, but he isn't going to run, so let get over it and move on.  On the other hand, your comments about Clinton supporters absolutely infuriates me.  Why is that we so often hear from Obama or Edwards supporters (or whoever they support) that Clinton supporters are idiots?  Or simply blind.  Or low-information.  Or don't have critical thinking skills. Or really think they're voting for Bill Clinton. Ot they're gullible. Or some such nonsense?

It continues to amaze me, despite the fact that it's so common. It couldn't possibly be that the reason a lot of people are supporting Hillary Clinton is because they think she can do the things that they want done, and they like her.  What a ridiculous notion.

Do I agree with her on every position?  No.  But I don't agree with anyone on every position.  I didn't like her comments about lobbyists - I'm for public financing of campaigns.  So is Hillary.

And can we finally put an end to the claim that Obama is somehow a great progressive?  What is this based on? It certainly can't be his voting record.  If that's the case, he's slightly less progressive than Hillary, not more.  This has been reported on about a dozen blogs in the past few weeks.  Obama may or may not (I would argue not) sound like a populist/progressive, but should we listen to what he says and ignore what he's done?

Make no mistake, I could happily support any of our candidates (except Gravel - he's a nut).  If Obama wins the nomination, I'll jump for joy and work my ass off getting him elected.  But I chose to support Hillary Clinton in the primaries.  It was an informed choice, and I stand by it.


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Gore Won't Run (4.00 / 1)
I choose to support Hillary too.  The msm is waiting for Gore to step in because they are tired of covering the current crop of candidates.  They want the story to be Gore comes in and its a different ballgame.  That is until they begin to attack Gore for being too fat.  Alas, they will say that there isn't a Democrat out there who can beat Giuliani etc.  Chris Matthews actually said.  Its Hillary and a bunch of slim guys.  When is a beefy candidate going to come in who can challenge her? 

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celebrity does not equal bold, new, insurgent (0.00 / 0)
Gore may have many things to recommend him but bold and new are not them. Smart, far-sighted maybe.

Given that there are as few as four months left before the first votes and barely six left before most votes are cast I'm not sure how even a bold, insurgent, history-changing campaign would have any more luck against Clinton than the current crop. Democrats are happy with their choices, and over 80% have a favorable view of Clinton.


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I disagree (4.00 / 1)
This may not be a popular thing to say when speaking to Hillary fans, but there is no denying her candidacy is largely based on two things: her gender and her last name. A lot of Democrats have bad memories of 2004 and are afraid of losing again. What better way not to lose than to harken back to those heady times of Democratic rule during the 90s? I don't care for Bill Clinton or his policies but, for a lot of Democrats, he is the symbol of Democratic presidential success and that is a hard thing to counter even in the post-Bush world.

Because of her gender, Hillary has a "new" look about her. A lot of Democrats yearn for change and see her gender as just that. Take away her gender, she is establishment/anti-change all the way.

Edwards often hints at the "be careful of the 90s/Third Way" theme but is not bold enough.

If we are lucky, a Gore entry could force some of those Democrats who love the past to switch to him while also offering people who want change (ie Obama/Edwards folks) to unite behind a single candidate. Maybe. Just maybe.


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Gore is not getting in (0.00 / 0)
Here is the scenario we need: Hillary comes in third in Iowa and the gap in NH narrow before Iowa takes place.

One "problem" is that the unbelievably weak Republican field makes the electability argument much less salient against Hillary. People think any of our candidates could take these guys.

Edwards and Obama are going to have to educate voters about how Hillary is the establishment/no change candidate. That's going to be a tougher sell, but I think it can be done.

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Why? (4.00 / 3)
This may not be a popular thing to say when speaking to Hillary fans, but there is no denying her candidacy is largely based on two things: her gender and her last name.

There's no denying it - why?  Because you don't support her?  Therefore, anyone that does can only do so because of one or both of those ridiculous reason you just gave?


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I Disagree (4.00 / 1)
Is it bad to want Hillary because Bill Clinton was a great president?  We had peace and prosperity in the Clinton years.  We have neither now.  Our Foreign Policy consists of another war with a country to be named later while our infrastructure falls apart.  This administration's Domestic Policy consists of -- The Commander in Chief is fighting the war on terror and how dare the American public ask for him to take an interest in us.  I want Hillary because she speaks to Americans about our problems and because Bill can be a roving Ambassador of Good Will around the world.  Guess who the rest of the world wants in 08?  Clinton to stop the madness.

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that poll is almost 3 weeks old... nt.. (0.00 / 0)


History (4.00 / 4)
What is different from 1984/2000, though, is that Clinton is a "campaign that stands out from history" herself. So is Obama. I think that if Clinton were a man, Obama could be that historic candidate who could beat her. Also, this helps explain Edwards' lack of traction.

Bowers/Trippi are talking about process and not identity, but I would argue that those are not unconnected.


I think Obama is bold (4.00 / 2)
For large numbers of folks, just not for many of the opinion makers. The idea that politics doesn't have to be something ugly and nasty and brutal that people want to run screaming from is pretty damn bold, given our history.

Electing the first non-white President of the United States, also very bold.

I get that part of what you're saying is it's not the candidate or the message that really matters, but *how the campaign is run*. Unfortunately, I do not have much faith in Trippi's wisdom for running winning campaigns at this point, and I think focusing on the mechanics of the campaign in this way is not too helpful. It's the kind of DC insidery stuff that most people who will vote are completely detached from.

Also, on that point, I would point to the Walk for Change -- first time ever that so many people did a door to door canvass on one day more than 8 months before the primary. Boxes of literature and supporting materials sent to volunteers in every state in the nation (including some overseas). That's different, and bold, whether it got any love in the blogosphere or not.

Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.


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Obama is running a very stale campaign (0.00 / 0)
He has so much money and so much support but what is he doing with it? Only in the aftermath of the YouTube debate did he seem to realize that he actually needs to challenge Clinton in order to beat her. I think before that he was under the impression that you can be nominated by sitting around, raising a lot of money, talking about hope. That just does not work. If he wants this thing, he has to try harder. Also, he is just plain awful in the debates. Awful. He mumbles, stutters, and is only good when someone comes after him. Other than that, he looks inexperienced.

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He's organizing on the ground (4.00 / 2)
He has 70 organizers on the ground in Iowa, NH and Nevada, and about half of that in South Carolina. He has good people on the ground, including some of the best organizers I know. He has more field offices than anyone in Iowa. He is putting more resources into the grassroots than any other campaign by A LOT, and more than any other campaign in recent history.

And for that? He gets nothing from the blogosphere which is supposed to support investment in grassroots.

Remember, it's still early. Obama has to be very careful about the way he takes on Hillary. Right now, he is doing it deliberately, methodically, and outside of the media spotlight. Being in the No 2 position in the national polls is actually *part of their strategy*, from what I have read.


Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards.


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Jen is correct (4.00 / 2)
Obama has an unmeasured grassroots movement out there proven primarily by his dramatic fundraising numbers over two quarters.  No votes have been cast and it's still five months until the Iowa caucuses, so this grassroots movement -- which is far more organized and directed than Dean or Clark in 2004 -- has not yet been tested on the ground.  For those who love grassroots or at least advocate strongly for it, Iowa and New Hampshire are where this really and truly matters in the nominating process.  I know; I have been on-the-ground for two Iowa caucuses and three New Hampshire primaries. 

Clinton's ground game has not yet been tested either.  BUT, The Clinton folks have masterfully convinced the national political press corps that she is inevitable nominee (and it suprisingly appears many anti-Clinton bloggers have also bought in).  They are using their strong, multi-decade relationships with the national reporters and the equally strong national polls to create this narrative.  It's clearly affecting her coverage and beginning to set in within states and within the anti-Clinton left.

 


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Obama May Be Bold but..... (0.00 / 1)
The American people are not looking for JFK right now they want FDR.  Its the wrong time for Obama.  We need more than Hope.  We need to fix the problems we have before we go under.  Obama is your typical professor.  He thinks grand ideals but hasn't the moxie to pull them off.

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I don't see how (4.00 / 3)
What do Hillary Clinton's gender  or Obama's race have to do with the lack of traction Edwards is getting?  I know Elizabeth Edwards made some similar remarks, but I didn't buy it then and I don't now.  I think Edward's lack of traction can't be blamed on the other candidates.. I can't believe she's really claiming that Edwards isn't getting anywhere in the race for president because he isn't a minority.

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Um...he's not getting any traction because (0.00 / 0)
the media is not playing him. It's all Hillary, Hillary, Hillary v. Obama. Hillary gets more exposure, then Obama, the maaaaaaybe some for Edwards. Exposure translates into higher poll numbers on the teeeveee. Duh?

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It depends. (4.00 / 1)
The one thing I would be careful about re Chris' formula is that the dynamics of each campaign make formulas pretty meaningless. Hart came from nowhere to destroy Mondale in NH, in part because his finish was such a surprise, in part because Hart seemed so new and fresh compared to Mondale. 4 years later, Dukakis' weak 3rd place finish in IA didn't hurt him in NH because Gephardt and Simon, who finished ahead of him, were relatively dull, plus the Repub result in IA (Pat Robertson winning) was the big news coming out of IA. In 2004, Kerry winning IA was such a surprise that the momentum he had allowed him to roll over everyone.
The big thing to watch is the surprise factor. If Hillary is ahead in the polls going into caucus night, and loses, that's a bigger deal. If Obama is in 3rd going in and wins, that's a bigger deal, too. 

Chris's quotation of Frank Gallup's analysis of his numbers (0.00 / 0)
A further analysis of the same data posted this morning by Gallup's Lydia Saad provides more numbers for the Democrats, plus more information on the subgroups that Newport examined. First, for the Democrats:

All Democratic identifiers and "leaners" (initially independent adults that say they lean to the Democratic Party) - 48% of adults.
All Democratic identifiers and "leaners" that also say they are "extremely likely" to vote in the Democratic primaries or caucuses" - 27% of adults; 58% of all Democrats & leaners.
"Pure Democrats" (excludes independent "leaners") - 30% of adults.
Pure Democrats that are registered to vote plus registered Democratic "leaners" that say they are "extremely likely" to participate in the Democratic primaries or caucuses - 30% of adults; 63% of all Democrats & leaners.**
The table below shows the full results included in the Saad report for the first and last groups, plus the Clinton margins reported in Newport's Gallup Guru post. As Saad notes, looking at the last group (registered Democratic identifiers plus "extremely likely" registered leaners):

Clinton still dominates the field, although by a bit smaller margin than among all Democrats. Support for Clinton remains about the same, at 47%, but the percentage choosing Obama is slightly higher, at 31%.

One take-away point from these data. How the pollster defines a "likely voter" matters as much as how tightly they screen. Notice that the third and fourth columns above capture slices of Democrats that are the same size (30% of adults) but with very different compositions. Clinton leads Obama by 30 points among "pure Democrats," but remove non-registrants and add back indpendents that are "extremely likely" to vote in a Democratic primary, and Clinton's lead drops to just 16 points.

Also, bear in mind that the actual turnout in all of the 2004 Democratic primaries and caucuses amounted to less than 10% of adults in the United States.

**The definition of the fourth subgroup in the Gallup report is a bit ambiguous. I emailed Gallup to request confirmation.

-- Mark Blumenthal

August 09, 2007 in Likely Voters, The 2008 Race

My reading is that Gallup's sub]groups  when narrowed down is 30% OF ALL ADULTS cLINTON'S EDGE DROPPED FROM 30 TO 16 PT MARGIN. HOWEVER ALL OF THE TURNOUT FOR DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES WHER 10% Therefore his screening is still providing a much wider number of democratic voter's than the actual turnout from a historical prespective.

I would like to see a model showing candidate differnces that would approach the 2004 model or may be a higher amount like 12% OF THE ADULT POPULATION.


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standing out from history (4.00 / 3)
[full disclosure: I'm Project Director of a voter file vendor in CA, and Vote Hope is one of my clients. I favor any candidate that can generate grassroots energy, which so far I'm happy to say is "all of them!"]

I still to this day do not get this "the progressive blogosphere would have lined up behind someone" line. It's always been baffling to me and the more I think about it, the more baffled I get. So many people blog now from all across the ideological and tactical spectrum. There IS no unified progressive blogosphere, nor should there be. Blogging is for everybody! Even "libertarian democrats," whatever THAT means. :)

As far as new campaign tactics go: ALL the campaigns are two way and self organized now, if to greatly varying degrees. They have all incorporated tactics from the Dean/Bradley/Jerry Brown lineage to some degree or another. There's not going to be an obvious standout because they're all standouts. It's mostly just a question of execution at this point.

During the course of the Dean campaign it became clear there were a number of web based tools that could amplify a distributed campaign. Remember Zephyr's comment: DeanSpace IS the revolution? We saw a clear need for basic distributed event planning, email list management, personal and group homepages & blogs and distributed fundraising. Blue State's toolset (aka my.barack) does all this, and I think quite elegantly. The last tool we saw a clear need for was a less centralized voter file, which is why I feel so lucky to have the day job I have!

And innovations ARE still occurring. I like Edwards' OneCorps approach. Clinton has executed incredibly well - she's combined admirably precise narrative control and apparently generated a lot of broad-demographic positive feedback from her conversational approach.

And, Obama spent almost an entire day with an ordinary middle class couple in Oakland yesterday. That and the dinner with Barack are frankly the two most innovative, honest and kickass tactics I've seen this cycle. Obama got exclusive front page play in the SF Chron yesterday from it, the first story I've seen on a local visit that wasn't focused on the money chase or the horserace. He cut through MSM cynicism, and the Chron's cynicism is Antarctic ice-shelf thick. That's huge.


jen ancona is correct; ground game will matter (0.00 / 0)
Obama has an unmeasured grassroots movement out there proven primarily by his dramatic fundraising numbers over two quarters.  No votes have been cast and it's still five months until the Iowa caucuses, so this grassroots movement -- which is far more organized and directed than Dean or Clark in 2004 -- has not yet been tested on the ground.  For those who love grassroots or at least advocate strongly for it, Iowa and New Hampshire are where this really and truly matters in the nominating process.  I know; I have been on-the-ground for two Iowa caucuses and three New Hampshire primaries. 

Clinton's ground game has not yet been tested either.  BUT, The Clinton folks have masterfully convinced the national political press corps that she is inevitable nominee (and it suprisingly appears many anti-Clinton bloggers have also bought in).  They are using their strong, multi-decade relationships with the national reporters and the equally strong national polls to create this narrative.  It's clearly affecting her coverage and beginning to set in within states and within the anti-Clinton left.


Hillary has been reinventing herself (0.00 / 0)
Not in terms of policy which any blogger worth their salt would easily have spotted but Hillary has been reinventing herself in terms of charm. I would not be surprised if she had actually went to the trouble of going to charm school or hiring an image consultant.

You don't believe me? Try an objective measure. I bet you that the number of times that Clinton has been smiling during her debates and speeches is a large figure. I would say that only Kucinich and Edwards gives her a run for her money in terms of smiles per minute during the debates. I can remember a time when she released a video where she could hardly look into a camera and not be noticeably awkward. Presumably a candidate could shoot a self-released campaign video till she got it right.

Everyone has noticed those pastel jackets and blouses Clinton has worn which Edwards commented on one occasion that he didn't like. She may be using that style of dress to connect with the older or more Southern crowd or appear more matronly to everyone else. A couple of exceptions is the pinstripe suit at the AFL-CIO debate and the dark suits that she wore at a health care speech at GW Hospital and at least one of the earlier debates. Obama likes the white shirt w/o a tie and dark pants. This is probably more in line with the Chicago or DC crowd.

This all indicates that she really has been correcting her weaknesses in terms of charm and connecting with people. At first it may have been the name recognition that gave her the edge but she has kept that edge by making some of her weaknesses into her strengths. It is no longer the case that her core support is coming from the uninformed voter. Polls have been showing that at large people are following the campaigns and Chris' research suggests that the likely primary voters who presumably would be informed voters still trend heavily toward Clinton.

P.S. A few other positive things in term of performance are Clinton's mental agility, knowledge, and forceful speaking that she has displayed in many of the debates.


I don't think its a reinvention, but a strategy (4.00 / 1)
Hillary smiling makes people feel at ease with her. The current president is always miserable and ready to pick a fight with somebody.  The rest of the Dems are serious except for Kucinich, who is a breath of fresh air.  The Republican candidates try to out miserable Bush, if thats possible. One of the positives about the Clinton administration is that he never let the American people worry.  During the millennium there were 3 terrorist attacks due to take place.  Clinton stayed up all night and monitored our efforts to stop them.  They were stopped thankfully, and it never made the media to any great degree. I believe people want a president who takes care of business without scaring people. Thus the smile strategy. 

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no low-info voters in early states (0.00 / 0)
I only want to point out that caucus-goers and NH voters are not what one might call 'low-info voters.'  I might go so far to say that IA, NH, NV, and SC primaries/caucuses will have limited, if any, 'low-info voters.'

Inevitability? (4.00 / 4)
I have a different take on 'inevitability'.  For HRC, inevitability is more about the general election than the Dem race.  For a historic woman candidate, the window between the convention and November is not enough time to win--she needs to be campaigning for the general now.  She can't let Edwards/Obama drag her to the left.  'Inevitability' translates into 'get used to it' for male voters looking forward to the general, who get to compare HRC to Obama/Edwards' wild pandering to the far left in their longshot primary strategies.

It's a mistake to underestimate Rudy in the general.  Clinton isn't making that mistake, which is why she didn't coast after the YouTube debate, but instead forced Obama to come out on foreign policy and national security.  (A male candidate would be coasting on a double-digit poll lead.)  Obama was forced to oblige, jerking to the right with his hyper-aggressive (and hollow) ultimatum to Pakistan, giving Clinton a chance to look Presidential by comparison.

It's amusing to read the latest anti-Clinton spin from people who think her supporters are just uninformed morons.  But who's falling for Obama's typical bait-and-switch and Edwards' typical phony political promises?  The uninformed working class or the mentally superior blogger elite?


Hillary Is Not Inevitable (0.00 / 0)
If Edwards wins Iowa, I think he has a chance to come in second in New Hampshire.  Than the game is on. 

Yes (4.00 / 1)
I'll definitely agree with that.  I support Clinton, but I don't believe for a moment that anything is inevitable.

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Yes (0.00 / 0)
Everytime the media says inevitable I know they have something planned to try to destroy her.  Chris Matthews said around October or November this will be an entirely different race.  Wonder what he means.

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Clinton Appears to be Strengthening (2.00 / 2)
Great post.  I am an avid reader of MyDD and I missed your enciteful polls.  Glad I found you again.  I agree with your premise and I doubt that Obama can catch her now.  My fear is that he will take his vast campaign war chest and run as an Independent to split the Democrats and put another Republican in.  Two things give me that scary feeling.  One, the people around him are former lobbiests and he has collected contributions from major Wall Street firms and some of the largest corporations.  These people don't waste their money on a 2 year senator. Two, his handler David Axelrod has decided to sell Obama's personality rather than his stands on the issues. Everytime I listen to him I hear all these lofty terms but nothing concrete.  When I listen to Hillary I hear specifics.  The Republican brand is not one people want to buy right now so the only way they can win would be to split the Dems. Tell me I'm wrong.

Obama will mind his manners.... (0.00 / 0)
OK.  You're wrong.  Obama is a product of our Chicago machine...and Chicago politics are pragmatic.  Obama is where he is in Washington because of Richard M. Daley, who will never run the risk of allowing a protege to splinter the Democratic Party when TWO Chicagoans (yes, Hillary) could be sitting in positions of power.  I've actually VOTED for Obama, unlike the starry-eyed supporters, and even though he's turned into a pretty good senator for my state, he's still green and needs both focus (on issues) and experience (his wife has more executive experience than he does).  And he seems to be creating a pattern, where he throws his hat into the ring to challenge someone with far more experience and temper...then he burns his fingers, steps back, and waits for his next opportunity.  The first time that happened was against southside Congressman Bobby Rush...now it's against Hillary.

I think that Mayor Daley is probably counseling Obama to keep going now...and as it becomes more apparent that the nomination is Hillary's to lose, you'll see Obama subtley shift gears to support her...in order to get tapped to be the running mate for a blockbuster ticket of TWO Chicagoans who will take office and help Da Mayor nail down his dream of the Chicago 2016 Olympics.  And a more tempered and experienced Obama will run--and win--after Hillary and Bill retire.


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Obama Will Mind His Manners (0.00 / 0)
As a former Chicagoan who has been away from my home city for a very long time I had forgotten how much clout the Daley Machine has.  So its Daley who encouraged Obama to run?  Your right that Mayor Daley would never want to split the Democrats.  Your comments make it clear how little we know about Obama's candidacy in the rest of the country.  Thank you so much for setting me straight on this.  The worst thing that could happen right now in a time where its possible for us to sweep would be an Obama Independent run.  I agree that there will be a time for Obama after Hill and Bill fix this mess. 

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