Neither Can Live While the Other Survives

by: Adam Bink

Wed Sep 23, 2009 at 13:30


I have a thought to add on what I think is an important broader point to Darcy's post last night on the lack of opportunity for bipartisanship.

The point for me is what happens when you pursue this game anyway. In every election, Democratic Party institutional structures (principally the party committees and, if a Democrat is President, the White House) target vulnerable Republicans, many of whom are moderates. Think DeWine-Brown, Chafee-Whitehouse, Talent-McCaskill, Collins-Allen, Sununu-Shaheen, Smith-Merkley. If Specter had not switched, he would have a big bulls-eye on his back, too. They also target moderates and drive them into retirement with the threat of a strong challenger-see Warner, John. They also target open seats where voters may have elected moderate Republicans- there are places, for example, where moderate Republicans decide not to run because they are facing a high-profile, highly-recruited Democrat who will mop the floor with them.

Targeting resources in this way keeps moderates out of the House and Senate and decreases opportunities for bipartisanship. Yet the White House keeps insisting on bipartisanship, and we find ourselves in a no-win scenario. If this were 2002, the Republicans looking at our side across the negotiating table probably would have been Chafee, Snowe, Collins (at least initially), Specter, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, and maybe DeWine or Voinovich. Instead, we're dealing with Grassley, Enzi, and Snowe. Why? Because we kicked out all the rest (and tried to beat Collins with Tom Allen). That is a major ideological shift. When you have this going on, and the White House keeps pursuing bipartisanship, it is self-defeating. Instead of compromising with a Lincoln Chafee, you find yourself compromising with a John McCain. If you beat McCain, you find yourself at the table with a Saxby Chambliss. And so forth.

The positive result of this is that you eventually find yourself with such a hard-right, "party of no" Senator, like Kyl or someone, that won't even come to the table, and Obama can do his "well, I reached out and tried" shtick and then muscle something through. I don't care as much about window dressing bipartisanship, like Obama doing that shtick or holding inauguration dinners for "my dear friend Sen. McCain", so whatever. But my concern is that Obama's philosophy does not line up with the "muscle something through" way of doing things, and that he will diddle around for months and try and move to the right, chasing whichever Senator he has to deal with further and further to the right to get to their position instead of telling them to fuck off. That's where you find the negative result. My point to add onto Darcy's post is that the blind pursuit of bipartisanship becomes a dangerous game where you both waste the nation's time at the negotiating table and/or you end up with a bill so devoid of progressive principles it's not worth doing anything on.

This whole set-up reminds me of the prophecy in the Harry Potter series- "neither can live while the other survives." You can't have (a) a strategy of targeting moderates (b) an insistence upon bipartisanship, and (c) a willingness to drag things on/not muscle legislation when you can't get bipartisanship, all at the same time. Something has to give. The White House and Democratic Congressional leaders have to pick and choose, and for our country's sake, I hope they give up this blind pursuit of bipartisanship.

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Faaaantastic (0.00 / 0)
So in this analogy, is Obama Harry and are the Republicans Death Eaters?  Who would be Vol...he who shall not be named...and who would be Dumbledore?  Please expand upon this Adam.

Potty time again? (0.00 / 0)
Sry, but I hate those crappy Potter analogies...
|-(

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Irrelevant (0.00 / 0)
The most important part is that you would be Dobby. When I was hurling office supplies at your head, I was trying to train you to withstand the self-inflicted pain.


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perfect (0.00 / 0)
That's what I thought.  House elf has always been my occupation of choice.  Intern was #2 on the list.  

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No No (0.00 / 0)
Remember, Voldemort made the prophecy true by accidentally using Harry as a horcrux.  So Harry gained a part of Voldemort's soul, making it so neither can live while the other survives.

So the analogy is the Democrats gained a part of the Republican soul by replacing moderate Republicans with moderate Democrats.

I was going to make this a joke but...  dang, that almost works...


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Declare victory (0.00 / 0)
Something has to give. The White House and Democratic Congressional leaders have to pick and choose, and for our country's sake, I hope they give up this

There was a point in the Viet nam War, and in the Iraq war, when people said, can't we just declare victory and leave?

Bush could just declare I won! Lets go home.

I am urging the President to act on the message he gave in his address to the joint houses of congress, that he would no longer abide attempts to destroy the reform that American wants. He has tried. He has reached out. He has asked aghaina and again and again.

He can declare, I Reached out. The American people are with him on reaching out, he has nothing but a bloody stump, even Snow is trying to trigger reforms death, it is time to stop.

It is time to stop.


Well, Adam, but the whole point of targetting those moderates... (4.00 / 2)
was to increase the number of Dem Senators, right? And now that this has been successful, the party still has to rely on bipartisanship. Only difference is, instead of wooing Republicans, liberals now have to kiss the derrieres of the BlueDog party. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...
8-/

It should also be said that these R moderates ended up getting replaced (4.00 / 1)
with some of our best senators--Whitehouse and Brown come to mind.

If we want solidly progressive Senators, targeting moderate republicans in heavily democratic states is the best way to do it.  Similarly, if we were out targeting Saxby Chambliss and John Cornyn, how good do you think their Democratic replacements would be?  

Of course, this has little to do with seeking bipartisan ship, or bipartisanship as an end to itself, but there are reasons for people on our side to be doing this.  Aside from primaries, the best place to be adding to the better democrats is by having them defeat moderate republicans in general elections.  


That's a good point (0.00 / 0)
I think our side needs to abandon the worshipping at the altar of bipartisanship thing, but def keep after the Chafees and DeWines of the world.


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I could care less about bipartisanship (0.00 / 0)
I do care about running the most progressive candidate that a district or a state can elect. I see no benefit in selecting more conservative Dems in predominately Democratic districts or states. I do care about replacing conservative members of Congress whenever it is possible to do so regardless of party affiliation.

I do care about party disciple. The Republicans have this down to a science while this seems to be a foreign concept to Democrats. IMO there is no excuse for any member of the Democratic caucus to vote no on cloture on good Democratic legislation. Once a filibuster has been avoided, they can vote  no if it is politically necessary.


I guess the problem is (4.00 / 2)
that Obama wasn't just going through the motions of seeking bipartisanship in order to say "I tried", the way many have tried to justify his strategy.

He's really weird enough that he really believes in it.

Now, I've never understood even wanting to pretend to "bipartisanship" myself, unless you really need to for tactical reasons, which I don't think Obama did. I guess it's a matter of temperament. So fine, if that's your temperament, pretend away, as long as you know that it won't work and that you're just pretending.

This is of critical importance because it really is true that "both can't survive": if you want health care reform, the insurance racket has to be smashed. It will win a war of attrition vs. anything short of that.

It's more systemically true that no reform of any sort can happen as long as we're saddled with the Too Big To Fail finance racket, from which all other rackets radiate. There too, we either destroy it, or remain serfs forever.

So Obama's notion that we can tinker with these things, and find mutually beneficial compromise with the "good people" of the insurance and bank "industries", is fundamentally flawed. It can't possibly work, or do anything other than let things get worse and worse.

If he really believes in this, then we're looking at a basic character flaw.

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Democrats only seem stupid (0.00 / 0)
Actually their strategy of replacing moderate Republicans with Blue Dog Democrats and then seeking bipartisan "compromise" with the remaining rabid Right makes perfect political sense if the end goal of those in power in the Democratic party is to create a perpetually dominant Blue Dog party, serving the corporate elite, with both progressives and regressives consigned to the "fringe."  And so long as the leadership doesn't overplay their hand,they may very well succeed.  For we all want to believe that the Democrats we've elected from Obama on down really do share our values and objectives.  And if they end up voting against us again and again?  Well, we'd like to believe it's because they were "duped."  Or because they "boxed themselves in."  Or because they were "lacking a spine."  If only listen to their loyal supporters...  No.  That's the way battered spouses think.  We must stop trying to enlighten these con-artists and just give them the boot if they refuse to serve the common good.  

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