Open Left Presidential Forecast, May 23rd

by: Chris Bowers

Fri May 23, 2008 at 11:49



Obama 242, McCain 208, Toss-up 88



(Dark Blue means “Solid Obama,” or Obama +10% or more
Light Blue means “Lean Obama,” or Obama +4.1%-+9.9%
White means “Toss-up,” from between Obama +4.0% to McCain +4.0%
Light Red means “Lean McCain” or McCain +4.1%-+9.9%
Dark Red means “Solid McCain,” or McCain +10.0% or more
)

Several changes over the last two days, all from new polls that can be found here.

  • Two new California polls moves the state from “Lean Obama” to “Solid Obama”
  • A new Florida poll confirms the state as “Lean McCain”
  • A new Mississippi poll confirms the state as “Solid McCain”
  • A new Nevada poll moves the state from “Toss-up” to “Lean McCain”
  • A new New Hampshire poll moves the state from “Lean McCain” to “Toss-up”
  • Two new Ohio polls keep the state at “Toss-up,” but now give Obama a narrow lead
  • Two new Pennsylvania polls keep the state at “Lean Obama”
  • A new Virginia poll moves the state from “Lean McCain” to “Toss-up”

New Category Totals
Solid Obama: 185 electoral votes
Lean Obama: 57 electoral votes
Toss-up: 88 electoral votes
Lean McCain: 100 electoral votes
Solid McCain: 108 electoral votes

The only negative movement for Obama is in Nevada. Otherwise, he seems to be slowly solidifying his base. The “Solid Obama” category is now almost as large as the “Lean McCain” and “Solid McCain” categories combined!

State by state details in the extended entry.  

Chris Bowers :: Open Left Presidential Forecast, May 23rd
Solid Obama: 185 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
California 55 51.7% 38.7% +13.0% 3
Connecticut 7 51.0% 36.5% +14.5% 2
D.C. 3 — — +80.0% 0
Hawaii 4 61.0% 31.0% +30.0% 1
Illinois 21 59.0% 34.0% +25.0% 2
Maine-AL* 2 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Maine-01* 1 — — +17.0% 0
Maine-02* 1 — — +10.0% 0
Maryland 10 52.0% 38.5% +13.5% 2
Minnesota 10 51.5% 38.0% +13.5% 2
New Jersey 15 52.0% 36.0% +16.0% 2
New York 31 49.5% 36.5% +13.0% 2
Oregon 7 51.5% 40.0% +11.5% 2
Rhode Island 4 47.5% 34.0% +13.5% 2
Vermont 3 60.0% 32.5% +27.5% 2
Washington 11 52.5% 41.0% +11.5% 2

Lean Obama: 57 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Colorado 9 47.0% 42.5% +4.5% 2
Delaware 3 50.0% 41.0% +9.0% 1
Iowa 7 46.5% 41.5% +5.0% 2
Massachusetts 12 49.5% 42.5% +7.0% 2
New Mexico 5 47.0% 42.5% +4.5% 2
Pennsylvania 21 46.3% 40.5% +5.8% 4

Toss-up: 88 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Indiana 11 45.5% 49.0% -3.5% 2
Michigan 17 43.5% 43.0% +0.5% 2
Nebraska-01** 1 — — -1.0% 0
Nebraska-02** 1 — — +4.0% 0
New Hampshire 4 45.5% 46.0% -0.5% 2
North Dakota 3 42.0% 43.0% -1.0% 2
Ohio 20 44.0% 42.7% +1.3% 3
South Carolina 8 45.0% 48.0% -3.0% 1
Virginia 13 43.0% 44.3% -1.3% 3
Wisconsin 10 45.0% 45.0% Even 2

Lean McCain: 100 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alaska 3 41.5% 49.5% -8.0% 2
Florida 27 40.5% 47.5% -7.0% 2
Missouri 11 43.0% 47.5% -4.5% 2
Montana 3 41.0% 47.5% -6.5% 2
Nebraska-AL** 2 40.5% 47.5% -7.0% 2
Nevada 5 41.5% 47.5% -6.0% 2
North Carolina 15 42.8% 49.5% -6.7% 4
Texas 34 41.0% 50.0% -9.0% 2

Solid McCain: 108 Electoral Votes
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin # Polls
Alabama 9 34.0% 59.5% -25.5% 2
Arizona 10 37.5% 52.5% -15.0% 2
Arkansas 6 31.5% 58.0% -26.5% 2
Georgia 15 39.5% 53.5% -14.0% 2
Idaho 4 39.0% 52.0% -13.0% 1
Kansas 6 35.5% 54.5% -19.0% 2
Kentucky 8 33.5% 57.0% -23.5% 2
Louisiana 9 37.0% 52.5% -15.5% 2
Mississippi 6 40.0% 54.0% -14.0% 2
Nebraska-03** 1 — — -25.0% 2
Oklahoma 7 27.5% 59.5% -32.0% 2
South Dakota 3 36.0% 49.5% -13.5% 2
Tennessee 11 33.5% 55.5% -22.0% 2
Utah 5 33.0% 56.0% -23.0% 2
West Virginia 5 35.0% 53.0% -18.0% 1
Wyoming 3 35.0% 54.0% -19.0% 1

* Maine four electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. ME-01 is about 3.5% more Democratic than the state as a whole, while ME-02 is about 3.5% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

** Nebraska’s five electoral votes are awarded as follows: two for the statewide winner, and one for the winner of each congressional district. NE-01 is about 6.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, NE-01 is about 11.0% more Democratic than the state as a whole, and NE-03 is about 18.0% less Democratic than the state as a whole.

Methodology
I will update at least once every day between now and November 4th. The methodology is simple and straightforward.

  1. For each state, take all polls conducted for the state over the previous thirty days, and average them.
  2. If one polling firm has more than one poll in a state over the last thirty days, take only the most recent poll.
  3. Every state has at least two polls. If two polls were not conducted in a state over the last thirty days, use the two most recent polls from any polling firm.
  4. If only one poll has been conducted in a state, then only use that poll.
  5. No polling firm discrimination whatsoever. Polls are never excluded because the organization has a bad or partisan reputation.

As we move closer to the election and more data becomes available, the time frames for polls included in the averages will decrease. Also, when the amount of data increases, I will be able to start projecting the swing, “toss-up” states. Right now, however, there just isn’t enough data to push those states into one camp or the other.

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SUSA: Obama +9 In Ohio (4.00 / 3)
Obama 48/McCain 39 here.  Once again, Edwards turns it into a route: 12 points over Huckabee and Lieberman as VPs, 13 over Romney and 18 over Pawlenty.

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”

 
Shame (0.00 / 0)
It’s too bad they didn’t poll Sherrod Brown or Ted Strickland in the VP slot.

[ Parent ]  
Crosstabs (0.00 / 0)
The crosstabs on this seem really messed up. Obama wins whites and loses 17% of blacks? I suppose that’s a draw, but it doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence

[ Parent ]  
So What Happened to "Obama Not Favored In The General Election" (4.00 / 5)
The “Solid Obama” category is now almost as large as the “Lean McCain” and “Solid McCain categories combined!

Let me guess: The grad student inside refuses to die!

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”


 
Note something else (4.00 / 1)
The states in which are either lean or toss ups are not in the areas in which Obama has had problems during the primary. I know this seems mundane, but doesn’t this mean that the so-called ‘white working class vote” problem really is regional rather than racial or class based?

 
Some More Interesting Observations (0.00 / 1)
from the polls used by Chris:

Clinton winning Nevada and Obama losing it.

Obama losing Mississippi to McCain. Where’s that touted Black vote?

Obama losing Ohio, but Clinton wins Ohio. (key swing state)

Obama losing Florida, but Clinton wins it. (key swing state)

Clinton wins N. Carolina, Obama loses it.

Clinton wins California by 5 more points than Obama does.

Clinton wins Pennsylvania by 7 more points than Obama does.

Maybe I will post some competing electoral maps like I did the other day and see how the above shows the contrast in electoral votes between Clinton and Obama.

Supers are you reading?


[ Parent ]  
Thanks, but (0.00 / 0)
Guess what? Clinton will not be the nominee.

And the numbers will change.  How many elections have you watched?  How old are you?  Do you really not know this?  


[ Parent ]  
It's a waste of time to argue with the poster (4.00 / 5)
with whom you are arguing.

[ Parent ]  
Yep (4.00 / 3)
I hope they’re at least being paid for their efforts.  SayItLoud’s been doing a lot of heavy lifting in the shilling department the past few weeks.

[ Parent ]  
I think you should leave the insults to us (4.00 / 1)
Its unbecoming of the front pagers to get down with the rabble. Its one of the mistakes at dkos where the front pagers are too eager to display their gristle. Y’all should set a civil tone or encourage people to just be silent. There’s plenty of us down here to fling the poop.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

[ Parent ]  
Good Point! (0.00 / 0)
I’m just such a dyed-in-the-wool smart-aleck, I sometimes just can’t help myself.

As I’ve mentioned before, I’ve previously used the sig line, “</snark… no, wait, the snark never goes off”

So you can understand just how hard this can be.

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”


[ Parent ]  
there is some fun here (4.00 / 3)
You’re probably right, but I enjoy taunting him/her.  I think people like this get an egotistical kick out of seeing their posts…and then when someone posts right below theirs and hits them back, it ticks them off.  Their “fame” is dented.

They have fantasies, I think, that they’re accomplishing something.  There is a remarkable self absorption in this particular poster that is kinda fascinating.  Not your typical troll.  


[ Parent ]  
You Make A Good Point (0.00 / 0)
Someday, when we get our country firmly back on the road to recovery, I could even see myself reading an annotated book on the many varieties of trolldom.

Or at least browsing a wiki.

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”


[ Parent ]  
Yeah trolling (0.00 / 0)
is now defined as an opinion that doesn’t match yours. Now that dovetails nicely into Obama’s unity theme. You represent him not so well.

It’s fine with you that he wants to include Republicans in all  polices – but if another Democrat that has casted tons more Liberal votes in the Senate than Obama has wants to have a say then screw that – Republicans are better that Clinton accoding to you.

I understand that people like you are trying to redefine the Democratic Party to include centrism and Republicans because that is the platform of the guy you support. But that doesn’t mean that lifetime progressives have to accept that. I will continue to try to pull the party to the Left and you can try to pull it to the Right. To each their own.


[ Parent ]  
This Spambot is terrible (4.00 / 2)
I mean, of ALL the posters on OpenLeft to accuse of shilling for Obama — to pick Paul?!?

[ Parent ]  
I addressed Paul's (0.00 / 0)
troll remark didn’t I?

And if he calls my posting of comparative Clinton numbers trolling then on can only rightfully assume that he is at least a ‘lean Obama’ if not ‘Solid Obama’. Otherwise why would he consider my post trolling? And look at the group or posters he is agreeing with.


[ Parent ]  
Or (4.00 / 1)
you could take the time to read his more substantive posts and diaries, then make an informed comment.  You’ve been here long enough to read them.


McCain Has a Republican Healthcare Plan for the 21st Century

[ Parent ]  
There's only one thing you're pulling (0.00 / 0)
And it’s not “the party.”    

[ Parent ]  
Thanks for the Laugh (0.00 / 0)
I had to laugh when I read this, “It’s fine with you that he wants to include Republicans in all polices.”  Paul Rosenberg, to my chagrin, has written many posts (some that I’ve disagreed with) attacking Obama for reaching out to Republicans and conservatives.  To characterize Paul this way is funnier than it is anything else.  If you need an example of his work in this area check out http://www.openleft.com/showDi…

John McCain wants to privatize social security.

[ Parent ]  
Truly Funny (0.00 / 0)
A string of responses that are just insults and personal attacks. Not a one that can address the data from the same polls that Bowers used. Why is it that blog after blog that support Obama the vast majority of posts are like the responses here. Obama is supposed to be a ‘heady’ guy but it sure does not show up with his supporters.

[ Parent ]  
You set a very high standard (4.00 / 1)
its hard for a peon like me to keep up.

McCain Has a Republican Healthcare Plan for the 21st Century

[ Parent ]  
The problem (4.00 / 2)
The body’s on the table and the EKG has been flat-lined for 10 minutes.  You’re the doctor still there pounding on the chest, attacking everyone who tries to lead them away.

Can make for entertaining television, but when it comes to politics, it’s irritating and a little sad.


[ Parent ]  
As A Confirmed "Grey's Anatomy" Fan, I Have To Concur (0.00 / 0)
[ Parent ]  
hmmmm (4.00 / 2)
Why is it that blog after blog that support Obama the vast majority of posts are like the responses here.

Hmmm.  You get responses like these everywhere?  You should probably spend some time thinking about why rather than accusing anyone and everyone of everything else.  A little self-reflection goes a long way 😉


[ Parent ]  
Obama not losing Ohio (4.00 / 1)
SUSA has him up 9 points.  As Obama solidifies his position as the nominee, his numbers will continue to rise, at least for awhile.  And when he wins PR, MT and SD, it is over.

Lots can happen between now and November, however.

John McCain–He’s not who you think he is.


[ Parent ]  
Chris shows the spread (0.00 / 0)
at 2.5 for Obama. I guess he is doing the prudent thing and is averaging not just quoting obvious outliers like you are.

It ain’t over until the convention unless Clinton quits and she is not a quitter.


[ Parent ]  
According to Polling Obama Captures More EVs in Swing States (0.00 / 0)
A few days ago, I did a comparison between Obama and Clinton in swing states to determine whom was capturing more electoral votes in the polls.  I didn’t post my data at the time because I didn’t think anyone would care any more as the Democratic Primary is over.  But your post gives me an excuse to summarize the results.  So, well, thanks!

I studied the following states: OH, PA, FL, WI, IA, MN, MO, NM, NV, NH, NJ, CO, MI, VA, NC, OR, WA, & CA.  There are different ways to slice the data, but they all favor Obama.  The first question I asked is whether Clinton or Obama has the better margin of victory (or loss) vs. McCain in a given state.  The candidate with the better margin is awarded all electoral votes for that state.  Under this method, Obama won 164 electoral votes to Clinton’s 94.  Clinton wins big in OH, FL and PA.  She also wins MO and NC.  But Obama won more smaller states and CA.  The complete list of Obama states is as follows: WI, IA, MN, NV, NJ, CO, MI, VA, OR, WA, and CA.  Even if we remove CA, Obama still edges Clinton 109 to 94 electoral votes.  (Note: NH was a tie.)

Before moving on to other measures of swing state strength, there’s a couple of important points that can be drawn from this data.  First, just because a candidate ran better in a primary, doesn’t necessarily mean the candidate will run better in the general against McCain.  NC, CA, and NJ are examples of where the opposite is true.  Second, swing states don’t consist solely of the large swing states, where Clinton ran well in the primary.  This second point is obvious, but needs to be stated because Hillary Clinton and her supporters apparently live in a fairyland where WI, IA, MN, CO, VA, OR, and WA will succeed from the Union prior to November.  

Next, I looked at blow out swing states, which I defined as states where one of the Democratic candidates has a 10 point lead over McCain in the polls.  Obama won this category by 28 to 21 electoral votes.  Obama had blow outs in OR, WA and, MN.  Clinton had one in PA.  

I then looked at states where the candidate out-polled McCain by 5 or more points.  (Note this definition includes the blow out states, plus the states at 5 points to 10 points).  It was close, but Obama won again–135 to 121 electoral votes.  Finally, I took any victory over McCain in all the swing states and Obama again comes our on top 162 to 159.  

Thus, I’ve concluded there is no polling evidence (at least as of two days ago) that Clinton is a stronger candidate than Obama in the general election and in fact, the polling evidence indicates that Obama is the stronger candidate.  

The methodology that I used was to take the Real Clear Politics.com average margin of victory in the states that RCP defined as swing states.  There have been a large number of new polls in the last two days, so the data would have changed, but the new polls have been largely favorable to Obama.  If anything, Obama’s case is probably stronger today than two days ago.

John McCain wants to privatize social security.


[ Parent ]  
That's more like it. (0.00 / 0)
It would be tempting for Obama to get a Veep who would be strong in the Appalachians (besides Hillary), so he can rip a hole in a McCain stronghold.

 
Actually what the map suggests is he (0.00 / 0)
should choose someone in the West. Note where he’s got either toss ups, leans Obama or leans McCain. Right now, that’s around Colorado, Tx, etc. Not the Appalachia area.  

[ Parent ]  
Beware of taking suggestions from the map (0.00 / 0)
These early “who would you vote for?” polls can be useful for showing trends if you compare them them and see how they move, but they are not useful for predicting election details like which leaning states one candidate is more likely to win in than others.  These are polls taken before the candidates have campaigned for the general election, and before most voters have paid attention to those campaigns and their competing messages.

It’s not enough to say “things will change”; things will change intentionally based on conscious strategy decisions made by the campaigns.  They will target certain states and demographics over others.  They will luckily and unluckily hit upon messages that play differently to different people.  They will study far more useful poll numbers than “who would you vote for if the election where held today?”, because the election is not being held today and these numbers are contrived to a large extend.  Useful information from polls, such as how different demographics react to different parts of a candidate’s message, will drive strategy.

Opining on best strategy based on the kinds of polls this map maps, is folly.


[ Parent ]  
I think that's mostly right (4.00 / 1)
Still, The Map has some value in showing relative strengths. E.g., we can see Obama runs better in Pennsylvania than Ohio, better in Virginia than Florida, better in Iowa than Missouri, etc.

At the end of the day, though, the far more important poll number at this point is 80%: the (unprecedented) wrong track number.


[ Parent ]  
Even that (0.00 / 0)
Don’t trust this for relative strengths either.  If you have some good, solid reason (/independent of/ these polls) for believing a candidate is relatively stronger in a particular state, sure.  But these polls add nothing to that.  You may look at the polls and see that in some cases they coincide with your beliefs about which candidate does better in which states, and based on that, be fooled into following the polls’ “predictions” for states you didn’t have good reasons to opine about.  That would be a mistake.

[ Parent ]  
Ah, good point. (0.00 / 0)
WV and KY got me obsessed over hill people.

[ Parent ]  
My Brother Lives In KY (0.00 / 0)
I wouldn’t worry about them excessively.  There’s a whole lot of retail work that still needs doing there.

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”

[ Parent ]  
North Carolina Just Moved Into Toss Up (0.00 / 0)
The Libertarian Party qualified for the ballot, and given McCain’s weak support here – look for Bob Barr to pull as much as 10% in November.

http://bluenc.com/bob-barr-to-…

Western North Carolina and the world at Scrutiny Hooligans


 
Well…. (0.00 / 0)
10% of the republican vote in a primary isn’t going to translate into a 10% general election vote. I don’t think the bible thumpers take too kindly to most libertarian philosophy as it were anyway. NC is going to be a tough tough (but winnable) fight.

John McCain is afraid of Canada!

[ Parent ]  
Lots of Libertarians (0.00 / 0)
About a third of western North Carolina’s voters are unaffiliated and adhere to a loosely libertarian philosophy – whether it’s the bible-beaters or the rural “bears”, there will be a lot of people excited over having a Libertarian choice on the ballot.

Western North Carolina and the world at Scrutiny Hooligans

[ Parent ]  
What Evidence Do You Have For This? (4.00 / 1)
Libertarian Bible-beaters?

How about Elvis’s alien love-child?  Can you tell us about that, too?

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”


[ Parent ]  
Protest vote? (0.00 / 0)
I don’t know, I can see some evangelical votes going to the Libertarians as a protest vote because they can’t stand McCain.  There’s a pretty strong self-perception versus reality thing that goes on with Republicans and libertarianism.

I’m the only lefty in a very conservative Republican family; my father watches O’Reilly and Hannity, listens to Limbaugh, supports illegal wiretapping, Guantanamo, and a fence at the Mexican border.  Yet he still thinks of himself as a libertarian-leaning Republican.  Seems like it’s mostly the notion that libertarianism means American frontier rugged individualism, and that’s what they identify with more than anything else.

Plus, there’s taxes.  Libertarians hate taxes, Republicans hate taxes.  So of course they might as well be the same thing.

Cognitive dissonance is a mighty interesting thing.


[ Parent ]  
See the comment above about front-pagers (0.00 / 0)
Posting a diary allows the readers (us) to comment on it, to reach a consensus, to develop a community.  Maybe even kick some Republican a$$ in November.

When the front-pagers ridicule commenters, it says that it really isn’t our blog, it’s your blog, and we’re only welcome when we agree with you.  

Just a little friendly suggestion from a lurker.  


[ Parent ]  
of course it's their blog (0.00 / 0)
How can it not be the front-pager’s blog? They’re the front pagers!  They by definition have higher “status.”  They can do what they want.  

This is a pretty civil place, actually.   The poster above is not civil.  Page through the comment history.


[ Parent ]  
so you are saying they shouldn't put down (0.00 / 0)
obviously bad arguments?

[ Parent ]  
Interesting Comment (0.00 / 0)
Above, I did sort of agree with the critique.  There is a sort of restraint that’s helpful to observe.  But snark is a part of who I am, so there’s a danger in taking that too far as well.

Also, there’s my own personal history.  In the late 90s, before there was such a thing as blogs as we know them, I was a book reviewer at Political Capital, a sort of mirror image of Salon–a right-leaning site with a fair complement of progressives.  I was pretty much the only poster there who endaged with the commentators, and sought to create a real discussion, as opposed to just a series of un-connected comments.

Of course most of it was just sparring with wignuts, and rather pointless at one level.  But I always thought that there was another audience I was playing to, that of any lurkers patient enough to read on through the comments as well as my reviews.

So, this is just to say that I have a deeply-ingrained orientation towards engaging with folks, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with them.  I do it more here than other frontpagers do, too, in my own diaries, and I try to learn from the process, which is why I’m going to give this some more thought.

Also, I hope folks are tuned in enough to realize that: (A) Not all snark is created equal, I say snarky stuff to friends, so just because I’m being snarky doesn’t mean I think you’re an utter dolt.  It can just be a form of teasing. (B) I can be quite self-depricating in my humor.  I do dumb stuff all the time, and don’t mind poking fun at myself when I do.  None of us are gods.  We all are better off remembering this before we take ourselves too seriously.

Bronx cheers, anyone?

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”


[ Parent ]  
November prediction (4.00 / 2)
I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that in November, Obama will have a roughly 6% positive shift over these numbers. The toss-up States at that time will be Indiana, Missouri, Nevada, Montana, North Carolina, Florida, and Nebraska.

The truth about McCain

 
The bottom line (4.00 / 2)
I didn’t get mixed up in yesterday’s discussion of the election being a toss up, but here’s my question – in a completely objective manner and completely political manner, if you, today, May 23, 2008, had to choose to be Barack Obama or John McCain based entirely on this map, these numbers and the outlook, who would you rather be?

I’d much rather be Obama.  So while it looks like a toss up on the face of it, I think there’s a slight lean to Obama, if only because 9 of 10 pundits and political junkies (at least within our reality-based realm) would choose Obama.


 
it's the background circumstances (0.00 / 0)
I would say it’s because of the background circumstances of the election (bad economy, bad war, least popular lame duck president in history, charismatic candidate vs not charismatic candidate, young candidate vs old candidate, etc.).

[ Parent ]  
I hope Obama invests in MT and ND (4.00 / 2)
Those are 6 votes McCain can’t afford to lose and I suspect that a wise investment in those two states would reap big rewards.  McCain won’t be able to spend a dime in either state, he’ll just have to bank on past history that they will hold Republican.  Meanwhile, Obama peels them away.  Let McCain spend big up here in Michigan.  We all know McCain’s going to invest big up here, with the voter ID law, the Kilpatrick bullshit,  the delegate shit, sure he’s got a shot.  But in October, when the rubber hits the road, how much money will he have to keep making a play for Michigan?  If MI is still a toss-up by mid-October, McCain will let us go and concentrate on the GOP base states.  Meanwhile, MT and ND become tossups, McCain has no ground game in either state and McCain’s electoral map looks like shit as he’s bouncing between IN, OH, VA and MO scrambling for 270 votes.

[ Parent ]  
Good Advice (4.00 / 2)
There’s a deeper dimension to this that needs to be stressed, which is about speaking to all Americans.  The GOP has largely taken the Great Plains and Inter-mountain states for granted for decades now, and those folks are really starting to notice it. The more they cater to their Southern-centered socially conservative base, the more difficult it becomes for them to speak to these folks as well, who may be socially conservative in their own way, but with a much more individualist/libertarian twist, and definitely with a different set of issues that are most salient for them.

The state-level Dems in these two states have already shown the way.  On top of everything else, the national party pretty much owes it to them to reward their hard work.  Not to mention how much good it will do in return.

And once we’ve got North Dakota and Montana, the rest of those regions will really open up.

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”


[ Parent ]  
A small suggestion (0.00 / 0)
Chris,

Analysis like this is the primary reason I followed you over here from MYDD.  Getting a realistic view of things in invaluable.

Enough buttering up.  

Can you rank the states by margin instead of alphabetically?  IMO, you get a clearer picture of which states are stronger than others.  Also, it’s easier to tell exactly where the toss ups are.  For instance, in today’s chart, you can easily see that the toss ups where Obama is leaning or even would be enough to get him to 270.

 


 
Or (0.00 / 0)
can you use a javascript sortable table widget!

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

[ Parent ]  
transformational landslide in the making (0.00 / 0)
once the clintons are completely out of the race, the polls will improve and obama’s margins will widen.

its a transformational time.

go ohio!


 
to quote Michelle Obama (0.00 / 0)
“We’re right on the precipice of something phenomenal, it’s right there, we’re right on the cusp of this new America.”

[ Parent ]  
A poll summary rather than a forecast (0.00 / 0)
Chris, I appreciate all the hard work you do in pulling this information together. However, as someone who relies on forecasts professionally, I would describe this effort as a “poll summary” rather than a “forecast.”

I think Andrew Gelman at Columbia puts it well in a post a few months ago:
“A poll is a snapshot, not a forecast. It makes sense to use polls, even early polls, as an ingredient in a forecast (weighted appropriately, as estimated using linear regression, for example) but not to just use them raw.”

Poll-based forecasts, at least for the national popular vote, can be found at Forecasting Principles.  


 
Just curious (0.00 / 0)
why do this every day? why not like twice a week and just after major events.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

 
Not hard to do, popular (0.00 / 0)
Once the template/methodology is set up, it’s probably fairly easy to plug in whatever new polls come out on a given day and write a couple hundred words on what changed.  Plus, as much as we bash horserace coverage, this post will probably end up with 50+ comments.  I know I’ve clicked on every Forecast so far

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Ohio now "solid Obama" (4.00 / 1)
Survey USA shows Obama beating McCain 48-39.  I know you’re doing averages, but… WOW!

 
McCain up 11% in AZ now (0.00 / 0)
Latest poll released today shows McCain up 11%
McCain has double-digit lead in Arizona poll
AND
Poll finds McCain up 11 points over Obama in Arizona

PHOENIX – A new presidential race poll in Arizona shows home-state Republican John McCain leading Democrat Barrack Obama by 11 percentage points.
The Rocky Mountain Poll conducted by the Phoenix-based Behavior Research Center and released Thursday is based on telephone interviews conducted May 12-20 of 630 registered voters statewide.
With a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points, the poll finds McCain at 50 percent and Obama at 39 percent, with 11 percent undecided.

Arizona is in play and it will be….  

 
Let us put aside the condescending assumption that Obama is not up to the task of handling his veep (0.00 / 0)
I am astonished that so many people repeatedly dismiss the Unity Ticket on the grounds that Obama, once president, is not capable of handling Hillary as veep or Bill as her husband. Give the man some credit. You must really think he’s a poor leader or weak administrator for you to believe that Obama would not make absolutely clear to his veep that HE is in charge, HE makes the decisions, HE expects loyalty and integrity, HE is the ultimate authority. Of course he’s capable of taming Hillary or Bill. What are you afraid of?

On the whole, I think the Unity Ticket is worth considering, and Hillary Clinton should be at or near the top of Obama’s list of potential running mates. I’ll respect whatever decision he makes, provided it is reasonable. And Clinton is a reasonable choice.

At this time, it appears that she has the backing of roughly 50% of the Democratic party, and her voters need to be respected and convinced. I agree with Chris that bringing Clinton on board as veep must be considered. This is especially true in light of the fact that Obama may very well lose the popular vote tally if Clinton is able to score a blowout in Puerto Rico. If Clinton wins the popular vote and Obama wins the delegate vote, I think the pressure for him to select Clinton as veep could be overwhelming.

There are many good arguments against Obama selecting Clinton, but they do tend to miss the forest for the trees. Picking Hillary Clinton means Obama’s veep strategy is to pick the candidate that best helps him to consolidate his base. He is a pragmatist. He is a realist. If Clinton best helps him to shore up his base, then he’ll pick her.

As for the argument that Clinton represents the status quo and the past and would somehow cancel out Obama’s message: please, get real. That line of argument was always fallacious. Both Obama and Clinton represent dramatic change over George Bush/McCain. Obama succeeded in framing Clinton as the status quo during the primary, but 50% of the change-hungry Democratic party didn’t swallow that kool aid.


 
The point is the opposite (0.00 / 0)
That it should be his choice rather than being bullied or manipulated by high school antics like “chicken” to cajole him into it. He should be given choices. Clinton is fine as a choice, but it shouldn’t be forced as it is now being done down his throat.

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