Are Nationally Polls Really Tightening? Really?

by: Chris Bowers

Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 18:53



Short answer: McCain is about 0.9%-1.0% closer to Obama than he was over most of the last month.

Long Answer: The latest panic for Democrats is a worry that Obama’s national lead is slipping. Mainly, this is fueled by the recent Newsweek poll, that shows Obama ahead by only 3% even though their previous poll, from mid-June, showed Obama ahead by 15%. Over at 538, Nate does a good job sloughing off those worries, by pointing out that Obama’s lead was never 15% in the first place. Looking at the internals of the poll, Meteor Blades DHinMI points out that this new poll is also likely an outlier because, among other demographic shifts, it has an equal number of Republicans and Democrats in the survey sample. Overall, I agree with both Nate and Meteor Blades DHinMI, and think that both polls are likely outliers.

Still, it does appear that the national campaign has tightened a little bit, just not very much. According to Pollster.com, the peak of Obama’s national lead occurred on June 25th, when their national regression line showed Obama ahead by 6.1%, or 48.4% to 42.3%. This was the only day when Pollster showed Obama ahead by 6.0% or more, and it came just after both the Newsweek poll listed above, and a Los Angeles Times poll that showed Obama up 12%. So, the 6.1% lead was a bit of an outlier itself, and should not be considered an actual, solid lead that Obama ever really held.

Looking over the past month of national averages on Pollster.com, most of which I have archived in the presidential forecast page here on Open Left, from June 12th, when Obama first posted a solid lead on McCain, through this past Thursday, Obama’s national lead was almost always between 4.4% and 4.9%. As such, the baseline Obama advantage, from which an improvement or deterioration should be measured, is about 4.6%-4.7%. Currently, Pollster.com shows Obama’s lead at 3.7% nationally, meaning that McCain has picked up about 1.0%. In other words, McCain has gained some ground, but the majority of Obama’s lead remains intact. Yes, McCain has caught up a bit, but he has only erased about 21-23% of Obama’s advantage. This means that 77-79% of Obama’s advantage remains intact.

Also, keep in mind that Obama only pulled to the 4.4%-4.9% lead over McCain on June 12th. During the three previous months, Obama either led by less than the current 3.7%, or even trailed. It is always easy to make it look like someone is declining when you only compare their current performance to their best performance ever. Comparing Obama’s current polling to his 15% lead in Newsweek would be like comparing every game Wilt Chamberlain played to the time when he scored 100 points. It just isn’t a fair comparison, and will always make the person look bad.

Now, don’t mistake me for someone who believes that all is well for Obama, and that he will cruise to victory in November. Rather, I simply want to try and inject some reality into the daily focus on polling. One aspect of that reality is that polling trends do not follow the laws of physics, and are not affected by either gravity or inertia. If a candidate is pulling away, there is no guarantee that trend will continue. If a candidate is catching up, there is no guarantee that trend will continue. So, while McCain has gained about 1% in national polling trends, there is no guarantee he will continue to gain. Hopefully, McCain making up some ground will convince the Obama campaign to stop only playing cautious defense, and also convince more activists that this election is far from over.  

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DHinMI at dailykos on Newsweek sample (4.00 / 1)
Did you see this?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…
Newsweek sample includes 81-83 percent over forty years of age.
And 84-88 percent white.
Wow!
Barack leads anyway.

 
I think we really pay too much attention to polls (0.00 / 0)
especially in July.

But even if we do pay attention to polls an important point is perhaps lost:

it’s not just how many votes you are ahead by, but where are those votes. If tacking to the center is happening, and it loses votes in New York and California but gains votes in Ohio and Virginia, I would say that is a good thing.


 
I think we really pay too much attention to polls (0.00 / 0)
especially in July.

But even if we do pay attention to polls an important point is perhaps lost:

it’s not just how many votes you are ahead by, but where are those votes. If tacking to the center is happening, and it loses votes in New York and California but gains votes in Ohio and Virginia, I would say that is a good thing.


 
Kerry was ahead in July too (4.00 / 1)
if you go to electoral-vote.com and then click on electoral coll. graph you will see that Kerry was well ahead in July and then crashed and burned at the end of August after the Swift Boat ads.  He was even up most of September.  We have a long way to go.  

McCain has made a lot of mistakes lately so I wouldn’t be surprised if he took another dip.  Let’s see what happens when the two meet in a debate.  


 
Kerry was never ahead by this much (4.00 / 2)
And that has been covered before. However, it is also true that people have come back from much larger margins than McCain has faced, and that virtually every campaign has ended quite differently than where it stood in June and July.  

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

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Obama has to think about his brand (4.00 / 2)
He can’t move to close to the center without the risk of appearing like a conventional politician.  

 
Unfortunately… (4.00 / 2)

 …I think that ship has sailed. Obama can still win this election, but he’s going to have to do it the conventional way now. Which is always an uphill battle for Democrats given the systemic pro-Republican biases in most of our institutions, especially the media.

  He forfeited his one big differentiating feature (“change”) with his ill-advised triangulation. Now he’s going to have to deal with it.  

“We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience.” — Howard Zinn


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I think there is a tendency toward hyperbole online (0.00 / 0)
I think Obama had 2 weeks of misteps. That’s it. If he cleans up his act, which apparently he’s starting to do with today’s article in the Ny Times on how he intends to focus on contrast rather than playing it safe, then the 2 weeks was worth it. I think he can win with a strong mandate. I think also because you are focused on politics you may think the rest of the world is, and that’s simply not the case. It’s July, not late August or September. The value of all of this criticism that he’s seem and heard (believe me you can tell from their reaction that his campaign is probably shocked by this) is that its a wake up call that people aren’t going to be ABM (anybody but McCain) like they were with Kerry where we all just sort of followed emperor around blindly becuase we wanted ABB (Anybody but Bush). I am, therefore, of a different view. I think Obama is extremely talented politician in the vain of Bill Clinton. He assesses situations and changes courses. These last few weeks have been the wake up call that I hope he needed. We shall see. I am a skeptic- always- but I don’t see the value of engaging in what seems to be hyperbole about what the last 2 weeks have meant. They aren’t anything to write home about, but they aren’t the sky falling either.  

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You nailed it my friend (0.00 / 0)


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This week was so bad for McCain (4.00 / 2)
that even the press couldn’t ignore it by Thursday or Friday.  While whiner-gate is getting the short term attention, calling Social Security a disgrace will be in DNC commercials until November.  I see Obama opening up his biggest lead within 2 weeks, barring an Obama gaffe.

John McCain won’t insure children

 
Florida Dems sign up voters 7-1 over GOP (4.00 / 2)
No fuzzy math: State Dems sign up voters 7-1 over GOP

Voter registrations in Florida show ‘huge swing’ toward Democrats

[“Who would want to join a failed party? And that’s what the Republican Party is today, a failed party,” said U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, D- Delray Beach, co-chairman of Obama’s Florida campaign.]

Florida Political News and Commentary for 7/12/08

The numbers are ominous for Republicans: Through May, Democratic voter registration in Broward County was up 6.7 percent. Republican registrations grew just 3 percent while independents rose 2.8 percent.

Democrats have posted even greater gains statewide, up 106,508 voters from January through May, compared with 16,686 for the Republicans.



 
The polls might not be tightening… (4.00 / 1)

 …but they sure as hell aren’t widening, either.

 Which raises the question of exactly what Obama hoped to accomplish with his recent triangulation.

 He hurt his brand as a “change” candidate, and gained…what?


“We judge ourselves by our ideals; others by their actions. It is a great convenience.” — Howard Zinn


 
I think he hoped to block off possible fall attack ads (4.00 / 1)
With the intention of pivoting on to the issues the electorate constantly says it cares most about in polling. The economy, Iraq and Health Care. Better to take some hits now rather than later by allowing McCain the opportunity to change the subject with scaremongering. That I think is strategy. Time will tell if it is successful.  

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How are polling firms correcting for the cell-phone only household selection bias? (0.00 / 0)
Because I’m getting the impression that they aren’t correcting for it at all, and that they are therefore eliminating a sample set that is likely to be very pro-Obama due to their age.

 
Not that this affects trendlines (0.00 / 0)
but it sure affects the absolute margin between McCain and Obama.

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