No Reason to Panic, but Here's Why People are Worried

by: Mike Lux

Wed Sep 10, 2008 at 14:29



The Democratic political world, more networked and faster-reacting than ever before (rumor and worry used to spread slower by phone than it does by internet) is- at least among my various networks- in a state of fast-moving panic regarding the Presidential campaign. While there is no reason to panic- it’s close, we’re not way behind; we still have almost two months before the election; we still have  lots of meta-dynamics in our favor, etc.- there are some very legitimate reasons to be concerned.
Mike Lux :: No Reason to Panic, but Here’s Why People are Worried
The big reason why I and the politically knowledgeable folks I know are concerned relate to some structural problems in demographic performance. I mentioned small-town/rural voters yesterday, but in talking with several pollsters over the last 24 hours, I have come to realize that the specific demographic that is the most critical and movable demographic, especially in rural areas but also in suburban areas, is 50 years and older middle-income white women. Here’s the deal: the Obama campaign has developed a campaign that is very appealing to younger voters, black voters, and highly educated, culturally creative voters. He’ll get higher percentages and higher turnout from all those groups than Kerry did, and a higher percentage for sure (and hopefully higher turnout) among Hispanics pissed at Republicans for their bigoted language regarding immigration issues. But he’s still losing compared to Kerry among older and blue collar white voters. He’s unlikely to improve his percentage much among older white men, who are a pretty hard-core Republican group and really like McCain. But when you look at their historical voting patterns, their bouncing around in the polls over the last few months, and their numbers in the Congressional races, he’s still way underperforming among older white women. The good news is that they are likely still winnable, but the bad news is that (a) you can’t quite make a majority in most of the swing states without them, even with good turnout among our voters; and (b) Obama himself seems unlikely to be able to get them.

In our convention week, we picked up a modest bump in most demographic groups, but among older white women, we actually lost ground. And we lost quite a bit of ground in the Republican convention week. Obama’s biography and campaign message are blocking the campaign’s ability to win over this demographic. This group is still winnable, but part of what will have to win them over are groups outside the campaign- Women’s Voices Women Vote, Association for Retired Americans, Working America, etc.

Beyond this kind of specific structural analysis, though, there is another reason why so many people in Democratic politics are panicking, and it is less analytical but very real: the Obama campaign, per my glue politics piece of a few days ago, just isn’t talking to key leaders much at all. Major union leaders, other key organizational leaders, key bloggers, influential donors, other progressive leaders have all told me the same thing: this campaign is not having substantive, strategic, high-level conversations with them. When nobody knows what the campaign is thinking about its strategy, and the numbers start to sink, people start to freak. And with everybody calling, e-mailing, list-serving, Facebooking, Twittering, and text messaging each other, the panic level rises like flash flood waters. Maybe the campaign doesn’t care about all the chatter, but they should, because reporters hear it, local activists hear it, potential donors (big and small) hear it, and it has an impact, up and down the line.

So I agree with my friends in the campaign: no need to panic. Plenty of reasons why we are still well-positioned to win. Plenty of time to correct whatever needs to be corrected. But when you don’t communicate with your key supporters, the panic spreads.

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So who is getting through to the campaign? (4.00 / 8)
Are they listening to anyone? To you?

 
And why aren't the hitting the media harder . (0.00 / 0)
and repetitively .. I read somewhere .. that the TradMed bows to McCain because their operation is relentless .. they must either blister guys like Charlie Gibson constantly .. or else are on the phone complaining ..  that type of thing

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Nope. (0.00 / 0)
Ain’t listening to me.

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Obama's losing ground with Older White Women? (4.00 / 3)
Sounds like the Hillary demographic.  

 
More women on the trail (4.00 / 8)
If this demographic is so important, why isn’t the Obama campaign trying to get Hillary, Oprah, Claire McCaskill, Kathleen Sebelius, Janet Napolitano, Patty Murray, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, etc etc – and most importantly, Michelle Obama – in the news on an hourly or at least daily basis? Of course most women won’t vote for Obama just because another woman tells them to vote for Obama. But there are tons of talented, formidable female supporters of Obama who could appeal to women for support of the Democratic ticket on the obvious women’s rights issues alone.  I’m just not seeing this sort of outreach in the news anywhere. Maybe it’s happening on a grassroots level, but it’s certainly not a dominant narrative. Why not more of this? For instance: Why aren’t women surrogates out there prominently defending Obama against the teaching-sex-to-kindergartners ads?

 
This seems really important (4.00 / 3)
Get those female surrogates out there, especially talking about how McCain supports more wars and wants to take their sons.  Then talk about how he wants to privatize Social Security.  

And every young person here go talk to your mom and your aunts and your grandmothers.   Seriously.  Tell them its your future on the line and you think Obama is the one to turn things around.

John McCain–He’s not who you think he is.


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And talk about his crazy "healthcare" plan. (4.00 / 2)
Women are the ones who make healthcare decisions in a lot of families.

John McCain thinks we haven’t spent enough time in Iraq

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Got that right (4.00 / 2)
I’ve seen polls showing women are hugely in favor of government-sponsored universal health care.

Gee, I wonder why that might be? Maybe because unlike the republican base who doesn’t have to interact with a health care provider at LEAST once a year (i.e. white men) or the republican base that already has guaranteed universal coverage (i.e. OLD white men), women know how completely messed up this system is.

Great point Aviva and Mimikatz. We have to get this word out there.


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That demographic is the only demographic that he and his campaign ignored (0.00 / 0)
after Hillary Clinton conceded.  They just assumed those women and men would fall into line because they have no where to go.  They wooed independents and Republicans and evangelicals…everyone but white women, mostly blue collar, who, they thought, were under some obligation to vote for Obama.

The Obama camapaign acted like that demographic would just fall into their lap. Being taken for granted just is not the way to get people to vote for you.  No one owes a poltician their vote. Each and every vote has to be earned.  

And of course they were so certain that they had altered the map…well it appears they haven’t and anyone with any sense could have seen that long along.  They are playing on the map Hillary Clinton said you had to play on.

The final mistake was refusing to choose Hillary for VP.  That was the opening McCain drove Sarah Palin through, who, everyone admits, has changed the game, the demographics and the map.  If Hillary were the VP nominee, McCain would have chosen one of those exciting white men.  We would be coasting and they would be treading water.

The Obama campaign thinks they will do what they did in the primary.  They think that it will work again because they think they won the primary against a formidable candidate who threw hardballs.  What really happened is the the Clinton campaign lost, they threw wiffles balls and the Obama campaign thinks they can do to McCain what they did to her.  Well this time they don’t have the press helping them….They are shielding McCain and furthering Republican spin…

So sure send out those women surrogates…though most of them aren’t going to have much impact.

He has to dig in and start attacking John McCain.  What we have on our side is the epic failure that is George Bush….that may still be enough.

“Incrementalism isn’t a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place”
Stoller


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I Hear You (0.00 / 0)
And the myriad of like posts.  What is not getting through to me is what do you think Obama should do?  Please include positive and negative impact of a suggested strategy.

Frankly, reading about what would help change the course of this election is a lot more interesting to me then reading why anyone perceives we are on the rocks.


 
Will do. (0.00 / 0)
Done a fair share of those kinds of posts, where I’ve made very specific recommendations re both what Obama and outside folks should be doing, and will do some more.

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I appreciate that, Mike. (0.00 / 0)
I guess what I’m saying is more Palcain attacks, and less complaining, overall.  I readily admit to being 1% intellect and 99% visceral, so to me the negativity directed towards Obama is no different than what Obama is being criticized for.  It’s like the pot calling the kettle, aluminum…  

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Bob Dylan Said It Best (4.00 / 5)
“Oh no, no, I’ve been through this movie before”
    — “Motorpsycho Nightmare”


Dem presidential campaigns always know best.  Until they lose.  Then, it’s our fault.

“Senate passes expanded GI bill despite Bush, McCain opposition”

 
How can it be our fault this time when (4.00 / 1)
we are just funders and foot soldiers/labor?  They didn’t want our input.

Yeah, I’ve seen the movie also.  I keep trying to look on the bright side.


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Paul was being sarcastic (4.00 / 1)
in saying that party people often blame the progressive wing of the party for any losses after the election is over.

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I know he was. (4.00 / 1)
I was just pointing out that we regular folks are so far away from the campaign, yet they will blame us anyway.

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Well we'll get blamed (4.00 / 1)
for nominating the guy. We’re the ones who put our necks out for him…we didn’t for Kerry or Gore.

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Good post, Mike. (0.00 / 0)
No reason to panic, but also reason to be aware of certain weaknesses.  I suppose the lack of communciation is why there are so few Obama surrogates pushing back.

It seems to me, naive as I am, that Obama is the candidate of the Democratic Party and it takes all of us, the whole Party to win.  But I constantly see information as you share that it’s about the campaign and their message, almost excluding potential allies.  I have no idea of knowing, for I don’t run in those circles.

For instance, getting all contituencies on board to the same message on a day might be useful?

Obama’s campaign had to be aware of the issues with 50 year old and above white women when they decided not to look at Hillary Clinton as VP.  That’s fine, but I hope they have a strategy.  It seems clear that they were not prepared for Palin.

There’s plenty of time and I like Obama’s new-found toughness, at least comparatively.

Anyway, thanks for the well reasoned analysis.


 
okay (0.00 / 0)
Obama’s biography and campaign message are blocking the campaign’s ability to win over this demographic.

The first part of that is pretty clear, not the second. What is it that this demographic that supported Clinton, Kerry, Gore and Clinton isn’t hearing, or doesn’t want to hear, from the Obama campaign? If they were for HRC and the last three Dem nominees, these are anti-environment, anti-choice, pro-war voters. They aren’t deciding their support on issues.

As to the “glue politics”, if Kerry did this for himself in ’04, he should be doing it for Obama now. If somebody else did that for Kerry, Kerry should be calling those people and getting them to do it for Obama (goes without saying that Obama needs to take the initiative on getting this moving). Durbin, Leahy, McCaskill, Dorgan, Boxer…. where are all these people who should be out in front of all this. Um… Joe Biden? One of the big problems Obama has had all along is weak surrogates, a good part of that, I suspect, coming from people (Kerry and Biden in particular) who can’t quite bring themselves to stick it to McCain, under the delusion that he wouldn’t, hell that he hasn’t done that to them.


 
It's not what they're not hearing (4.00 / 1)
its that they don’t like him and won’t pay attention. With them we have to convince that McCain is worse, you’re never going to convince them to vote FOR Obama, just AGAINST McCain.

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McCain = Bush (4.00 / 3)
that’s the key to winning this demographic.  it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look at bush’s anemic numbers and mccain’s parity in the polls with obama and realize there’s a lot of people that hate bush but as of today would vote for mccain.  i’m pulling this out of my %ss but I imagine a huge amount of that ~20% or so of the population that disapproves of Bush yet still plans on voting for McCain is made up of these middle class/working class whites over 50.  

That’s why the comparisons need to keep coming, even if its becomes extremely repetitive and seems like overkill.  We need to reach the point where these people can’t see a picture of McCain without thinking about his buddy Bush (whom they dislike).  He voted with Bush 90% of the time.  He picked Palin, whom Bush loves.  He and Bush share the same advisors and campaign staff.  He’s been a Republican Senator for 25 years.  Bush = McCain, McCain = Bush.  

Go on the attack and force McCain to have to talk about and spend money on ads that he’s not like Bush.  If McCain has to really address this issue, then he’s already lost.  


 
Call your friend Bill Clinton (4.00 / 1)
and ask him to campaign. He can bring those woman to the dem table.

I am sick to death of all the pity potties going on around here. Its time for dems to come together. It’s past time.


 
It's pity parties, not pity potties (0.00 / 0)
A pottie is a term a two year uses to describe the toilet.

A pity party is when people get to get together to pity themselves.  And when someone plays the game poorly they may deserve to lose…but the problem is that this country and its people will lose a lot more.  And that is what this demographic has to be reminded of.

Now maybe if some people had been big enough to see the big picture and see beyond personal dislike…then we wouldn’t be where we are….grasping to hold on in an election environment when we should be creaming them.  

“Incrementalism isn’t a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place”
Stoller


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corrections (4.00 / 1)
Plenty of time to correct whatever needs to be corrected.  But how?

“The Obama campaign has developed a campaign that is very appealing to younger voters, black voters, and highly educated, culturally creative voters…”

Well, you could stop implying that white women aged 50+ aren’t educated or aren’t creative, for starters.  That’s not very “culturally creative” of you (whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean).

How do you think older white women have spent their lives?  That’s a good starting point to figuring out what they care about and how to speak to them.


 
"50 years and older middle-income white women" (4.00 / 3)
Yes indeed — I found myself in a gathering of such women recently and got to hear it. It was a lot like a very good focus group in that, for historical reasons, they felt completely safe saying what they thought.

Because this was Northern California liberal-land, they’ll all vote for Obama. But there were multiple strands of simply not connecting culturally to his campaign. For example, one person asked if anyone knew the “Yes We Can” You-Tube and only 2 out of 9 knew what was being talked about. They liked it when we dragged out a laptop, but they didn’t know of it. Not their scene.

There was also admitted anxiety over seeing a Black President. It’s there. I wrote up that story at some length.

In the right circumstances, these women can be persuaded. But the sale is nowhere near made.

Can it happen here?


 
your story (0.00 / 0)
I read your story.  A good bit of reporting…

The absolute bottom line is, the Democrats picked a candidate who is difficult to sell.  Many points against him (although in an ideal world, they wouldn’t be):

Not white.
Foreign-sounding name.
Strange, globetrotting background.
Thin public record.  Hasn’t been around for long.
A little more “intellectual” than we’ve been used to recently.
Went up against a familiar and in some quarters popular opponent (Clinton).
Appeals to one particular side of the globalization divide (professionals or would-be professionals of the “knowledge economy” versus manufacturing workers who’ve been hard hit by globalization)

They should not be at all surprised that they are running into unusual challenges.  They are trying to push an unusual candidate.  That is the road the Dems decided to take this time.  They’re not exactly going to have the royal road laid out for them.  It has been, and will continue to be, all uphill.  And it will continue to be uphill after Inauguration Day.


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It seems to me that a lot of "educated" people (4.00 / 4)
Aren’t putting country first.  They have their private agendas and pet issues and if the candidate isn’t just what they want, then they will vote for a lying, opportunistic, ignorant madman and his wholly unprepared sidekick.  Just great.

My hairdresser never went to college and voted for Hillary, but she gave me an earful about Sarah Palin yesterday and is staunchly supporting Obama now.  

John McCain–He’s not who you think he is.


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That's my impression too (0.00 / 0)


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How can people not know the strategy? (4.00 / 1)
Thanks for another insightful post, Mike … one thing that caught my eye:

When nobody knows what the campaign is thinking about its strategy, and the numbers start to sink, people start to freak.

How on earth could anybody not know what the Obama campaign is thinking about its strategy?  They are clear and consistent in their communications:

Focus on the eighteen battleground states, use advantages in community organization as part of a feet-on-the-street voter registration, neighbor-to-neighbor persuasion, and get out the vote drive; make sure there are poll watchers and legal representation to deal with expected vote fraud; focus on the economy, “eight is enough”, and judgment as key messages; treat Senator McCain respectfully.  And don’t pay attention to the polls too much.

Okay, when the numbers start to sink, people start to freak, and because of the lack of glue there’s not the regular communication to deal with it … I can see that it’s a problem.  And it certainly seems like there’s room for improvement in the Obama campaign.  But leaders of groups who should be more effectively engaged who don’t know the strategy have nobody to blame but themselves.

 


 
Errr (4.00 / 1)
Focus on the eighteen battleground states, use advantages in community organization as part of a feet-on-the-street voter registration, neighbor-to-neighbor persuasion, and get out the vote drive; make sure there are poll watchers and legal representation to deal with expected vote fraud; focus on the economy, “eight is enough”, and judgment as key messages; treat Senator McCain respectfully.  And don’t pay attention to the polls too much.

Yes, those are all things the campaign is doing.

However, that’s not a campaign strategy, it’s an incomplete and high-level list of tactics. Perhaps it’s a strained analogy, but saying they’re sharing their strategy is like saying because you know that Windows comes with Explorer, MS Paint and Notepad, it’s open-source.

There’s quite a bit more to it — both in terms of detail/depth on the above that might let allies engage creatively, and in terms of all the other things they are working on, and most importantly the rationales behind all of this.

Sharing that depth of information also implies some willingness to make adjustments to maximize opportunities (and, somewhat more annoyingly to team BO, assuage ruffled feathers), but the potential payoff is pretty big.

One of the biggest mistakes of the Obama campaign IMHO is that there’s been such simple/shallow communication w/potential allies. As has been lamented everywhere, all we can really do to engage is sign up to GOTV. We’ll do it, but there’s a hell of a lot more value we all could be deliver, but we simply don’t know enough or have any interfaces to engage creatively.

In spite of all their support from the grassroots, the BO campaign is very closed-source, very top-down, at least as much as Kerry was in mindset, though probably better disciplined. That’s not a bad thing, especially if they win, but it has iffy implications for how they’ll govern, and it does freeze out a lot of potential value-adds for the campaign. Having come up through the Dean campaign in ’03, the contrast couldn’t be more stark.

Me | My Work | Future Majority


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Re: Errr … (0.00 / 0)
Yeah, that is a really strained analogy.  All I can say is that when I talk to other strategy professionals, they understand the Obama campaign’s strategy — or I can explain it to them instantly, in pretty much the same language as above.  If you’re not getting it, try looking at it differently: assume that really is their strategy; look at Axelrod and Plouffe’s statements for discussions of their assumptions and additional details.  For example Ariel Sabar’s article in the CSM:

Barack Obama’s campaign Thursday brushed aside questions about its standing among traditional Democrats, saying it would win the presidential election by bringing new voters – particularly young people, blacks, Hispanics, and independents – to the polls this fall.

“One of our strategic goals here is to wake up on the morning of Nov. 4 with as many pathways to 270 electoral votes as possible,” Plouffe said, noting that the campaign had “aggressive field programs” and advertising in 18 states.


Seriously, it doesn’t get much more strategic than that.  

As for how to help, they certainly don’t make it easy to engage other than GOTV.  Like I said, I can see how that causes problems.  But that’s not the same thing as “not understanding the strategy”.  It’s clear that GOTV is the strategy … unsurprisingly, groups who have other specialities are feeling like they’re not getting enough attention.


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Well (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, it doesn’t get much more strategic than that.

I suppose your experience of “strategy professional” is different from mine then. I see a lot of vague notions like “we want as many ways to win as possilbe” coupled with some high-level tactics like “we’re going to turn out new voters.”

That’s not something I, or any external organization, can creatively engage with.

And if “GOTV is the strategy” is true, that’s both one hell of a gamble (e.g. no message strategy?) and also still incredibly vague. You have to, you know, talk to people and engage organizations in order to turn them out to vote in large numbers…

Me | My Work | Future Majority


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old article (0.00 / 0)
That CSM interview was three weeks ago. Before Palin. The 18 state “strategy” didn’t survive contact with the enemy. Various reports have the campaign down to 14 or as few as 8 targeted states. And, as others have pointed out, GOTV is a tactic, not a strategy.

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But they can't get to the White House that way (0.00 / 0)
Barack Obama’s campaign Thursday brushed aside questions about its standing among traditional Democrats, saying it would win the presidential election by bringing new voters – particularly young people, blacks, Hispanics, and independents – to the polls this fall.

They need those voters that Mike brought up. The ones they brought up aren’t enough.  they miscalculated.  Just like they miscalculated about expanding the map…they were wrong there too. They didn’t go after them becasue they thought they would just fall in their lap….It was an arrogant mistake…..If they could woo evangelicals, they could have made some effort…they didn’t.  

“Incrementalism isn’t a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place”
Stoller


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OK, I'm starting to panic… (0.00 / 0)
The official Rassmussen NM results come out at 5pm, but their senate poll has a little teaser at the end:  http://www.rasmussenreports.co…

In New Mexico’s presidential race, John McCain has pulled ahead of Barack Obama in the first poll since the candidates’ conventions.

See my quick hit for more info…


 
I think there are many reasons to panic (0.00 / 0)
Lack of synergy, lack of message, zero — repeat, zero sense of the jugular. Huge tactical errors in $$ and the VP choice. Unbelievable decision to not have an offensive strategy. (Question: Who is the head of Obama’s oppo? Does he even have one? I beg someone to give me a name.) Huge tactical mistake to double-down on GOTV, because that model assumes keeping the Kerry states and adding X, Y or Z. Who in the hell says he’s going to keep the Kerry states?

It’s weird, it’s the mirror image to the Gore campaign, when we had a great track record and lost. Now the opponent has a god-awful track record — much worse than 04 — and we can’t win here, either. Sorry to say it folks, but if Obama hasn’t gotten it by now he’s not going to. It’s about him, I think, too. The mellow, cerebral, lack of the jugular is who he is. This isn’t a situation where he’s actually a fighter but he’s being constrained by mealy-mouthed consultants. It’s who he is.

And I don’t buy the whole “the race is settling into a tie” thing either. The McCain wave has yet to crest. The McCain campaign has been massively jump-started by the Palin pick and the sheer power of his POW story (which even Obama, Biden, Daschle, Feingold et all will tell you ensures that he will make a fine president).

They’ve got serious momentum, and Obama has no ideas or plan other than GOTV.

The Kerry states firewall is collapsing, too. Michigan and PA now, soon to be followed by NJ, WA and WI. In the end the true-blue guys like IL and CA will be in the single digits. IL more, but CA by 3.

Here’s hoping I’m totally wrong. For what it’s worth, this isn’t bad-poll-induced freaking out. I have been scared for Obama ever since he described himself as “post-partisan.” But right now McCain is running circles around Obama, and his post-partisanship is the cause.  


 
Who's responsible for the crappy messaging/media too? (0.00 / 0)
Question: Who is the head of Obama’s oppo? Does he even have one? I beg someone to give me a name.

Same question for the messaging/media/tv ads — Who exactly should be shamed out of their jobs forever?  

Maybe Obama should personally write his own ads. His speeches have clever rhetoric, humor and hard-edged hooks. The campaign messaging team fails entirely to follow-up and reinforce the candidate. And the ads themselves? Horrible mushy mush…


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Stop wasting your megaphone (4.00 / 4)
I am scared that we are going to lose–for the first time since New Hampshire.

I followed Chris and Matt here because I love the inside baseball stuff and poll watching and frankly I find them to be all around decent human beings. I am a political junkie pure and simple who can blow off an entire work day, out of fear, clicking thru the internets hour after hour hoping to find good news somewhere, somehow.

I think you are wasting your megaphone and using it for the wrong purpose. Palin really could become president. McCain really could be choosing a supreme court nominee in less than six months. Obama may lose.

While open left is complaining about obama’s tactics and philosophy, the media is about to determine the future of this country.

For example just today because of pressure on the internet: CBS requested that YouTube pull down a particularly bad McCain webad. The call on the press to behave responsibly is getting louder.

In addition today, four major media and online figures have gone on the record to say that McCain is Unfit to be President

http://www.politico.com/blogs/…

http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…

Why are you obsessed with tactics and strategy? We have 56 days. Your megaphone should be used to influence media narratives. Help spread truth. Help counter lies. Help our community get active.

Complaining that one of your organizations isn’t being included in strategy is a waste of this blog and a waste of your power.


 
Social Security (4.00 / 1)
Mike–I’m pretty sure Axelrod & Plouffe are smart enough to bang away on Social Security privatization, equal pay for equal work, choice plus contraception, and the overall economic disaster that is Bush/Cheney/McCain/the GOPs.  It might be smart for Obama to start dropping big hints about putting Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court instead of another Antonin Scalia; putting Boxer & McCaskill & the women in the House on the road more; and running ads on McCain’s stated desire to outlaw Roe v. Wade.
(I would also start dropping big hints about Richardson as Secretary of State, too, so Latinos would know they were casting historic votes as well as Democratic ones.)  Steve  

 
Reason to panic? (0.00 / 0)
I don’t think the fears of Democrats are caused by lack of communication or by over-reaction.  They are caused by the obvious similarities between the Obama campaign’s approach and the errors of Kerry and Dukakis. A large part of many voters’ decision is their level of comfort in the credibility, strength and character of the presidential candidate. As my mother said more than forty years ago, “I vote for the man, not the party.”  This thinking is why character attacks work.  McCain and Palin accordingly have been making many attacks on Obama’s credibility and character, which he has disregarded or responded to fairly defensively, rather than by responding in kind, mainly attacking McCain’s own credibility. This would be easy to do with the material, such as by attacking McCain’s positions and conflicting statements on many matters, beginning with the economy. McCain could be made to look old, confused, and out of touch. Obama never does this; indeed, he always starts by saying McCain is a great guy, but has a problem with a detail or two. At the same time Obama’s own advertising is mainly boring generic commercials, such as being in favor of education or whatever.  It appears to Democrats that Obama is just going to keep slipping in the polls until a few weeks before the election, when like Kerry and Dukakis, he may start hitting back, too late. Of course this downward slope damages the enthusiasm of supporters and donors — why send good money after bad? And the lack of communication is only a symptom of the problem; why would they want to hear complaining about the Kerry-Dukakis style of campaign?  They obviously think, like Bob Shrum did, that they know what they’re doing and we should just be patient and we’ll see how they win with their fine GOTV system.

 
Obama doesn't agree (0.00 / 0)
I have come to realize that the specific demographic that is the most critical and movable demographic, especially in rural areas but also in suburban areas, is 50 years and older middle-income white women.

The Obama campaign has been confidently dismissive of the notion that they will have any problem winning enough white women. Plouffe attacked the Washington Post yesterday for reporting that the campaign might have trouble there.

I don’t know what their secret plan is, but apparently we are all supposed to chill the f*k out, they’ve got this.


 
What suggestion (0.00 / 0)
would you make to someone who is likely to be on the phone or canvassing?  It is all well and good to identify the key demographic: but what issues should we be highlightening when we are talking to them?

 
Social Security (0.00 / 0)
Bread and butter.

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Angry old women! (4.00 / 1)
In our convention week, we picked up a modest bump in most demographic groups, but among older white women, we actually lost ground. […] Obama’s biography and campaign message are blocking the campaign’s ability to win over this demographic.

In the meantime, blogistan warriors and Obama handlers can continue to take shots at disgruntled Hillary Clinton supporters and feminist non-supporters.

I would think not?

Time to put away “Stop the Drama” T-shirts, the dripping condescension from Plouffe and others. Time for a “Gender in America” speech where Obama finally and belatedly talks about gender issues and makes commitments.

Time for blogistan participants to start substituting invective and right-wing terminology (“whining”, etc) with coherent argument and passionate appeals.

Without doubt, women and feminists mad at Hillary’s treatment are only a subset of women or feminists who will not vote for Obama (right-wing women or left-wing feminists, for opposing reasons may still deny him their vote). But the dismissive attitude towards the sexism during the primaries is a gut level issue for many who identify with Hillary’s attempt in some sense. For an example of identification (and the introduction of Sarah Palin), see: http://campaignstops.blogs.nyt…


 
Agreed (4.00 / 3)
Even though I will vote for Obama, I am in the “older, white, female” demographic, and I have been put off and offended by the way the campaign attacked Hillary Clinton. The continued attacks on her and her supporters by some on the blogs anger me.

McCain’s campaign with the “lipstick” attack on Obama and the sex-ed ad are using very dirty and untruthful tactics, but the demographic they are targeting with those accusations is clearly the suburban woman voter.

It’s time the Obama campaign and Obama himself made a real appeal to those voters — both on the issues (where, as others here note, he is much better) and in tone. Actually, all many of us want is a little R-E-S-P-E-C-T. There was precious little in the primary campaign, and the GOP is capitalizing on that right now.

As someone above mentioned, many of us in that demographic are quite well-educated, thank you, and some are also in the “creative” class.


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Just stop it (0.00 / 0)
She lost, it’s over, he’s the nominee. I’m as upset with him over FISA as you are over (what I believe to be largely imagined) sexist “attacks” by him against Clinton (which in real world terms means that he went after her as he would have any other serious opponent, and which many continue to choose to believe was deliberately sexist, which it was not). But he’s the nominee, and bringing this nonsense up now helps NO ONE and just comes across as so much Rovian plant trolling trying to stir up unnecessary trouble.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)

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Your reaction is exactly why we could lose. (4.00 / 1)
Stop being condescending and treating it as a trifle.  This is why Sarah palin is appealing to lots of those women.

Suck it up…you get over it yourself…  Condescension like that is going to lose this election.


“Incrementalism isn’t a different path to the same place, it could be a different path to a different place”
Stoller


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If telling someone that while they might not like either choice (0.00 / 0)
they only have 2 viable ones right now–McCain or Obama–and to get over their anger and disappointment over Hillary’s loss and the sexism on display during the primaries and support and vote for the only acceptable choice in terms of what their priorities are, is condescending, then these people are beyond help, irredeemable fools who should just be ignored.

Plus, I don’t understand how pandering–which is what people are asking Obama to do, i.e. some “I feel your pain” BS–is going to actually solve the problem of sexism in our society. These people want band aids to make the hurt go away, except we’re dealing with vastly more serious problems that are going to take decades to deal with. And it’ll be much, much easier to deal with them with Obama than McCain as president.

These people are children. Their feelings were hurt and they want a pat on the head. I cannot see how anyone can’t help but be consdescding to them given their attitude and behavior. They want the world to be perfect, rather than deal with its harsh realities and choices, and just grow up and make the most of what we have NOW, not what they wish we had. Anyone who claims to be a feminist yet who refuses to vote for or support Obama (at least in swing states), is a self-evident fool, because they’re helping to elect a clearly anti-feminist nutjob.

Sorry, I don’t do pats on the head.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Dude, Hillary lost–deal with it (0.00 / 0)
This sort of petulant whining is helping no one. Not to mention sheer and utter BS. The sexism came from the media and the GOP, not from Obama. Are you going to be relitigating this nonsense for the next 4 years? Have fun while the rest of us move onto to real issues.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)

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Dealing with it … or not! (0.00 / 0)
Kovie, in the unfortunate possiblity that this dude that you speak to is me, let me retort: perhaps you failed to notice that my reference to feminist non-supporter of Hillary (of whom I am one).

But “dealing with it” is not something that we on the Left should ever embark on. No, my friend. Our calling card says: We shall not deal with it. Every time the right says: rich people get better education, deal with it. We say: Deal with this! Every time the right says: women do not deserve a “man’s job” and will never be equal. Deal with it. Or… Gay people are abnormal. Deal with it. Or… blacks can’t perform academically as well as [Category X]. We say: … well, you know the drill…

But your basic premise is flawed… the point is not what I should be doing. Someone as mighty as Obama can hardly be affected by the petulant whining of anonymous Internet “dude”s. The thrust of this post, as I have taken it to be, is this lament: what is to be done w.r.t BO’s inability to attract older female support (insert deoderant joke of liking, here). He could take out an ad, I suppose, that says “Hey babes, deal with it!”. Do you think that might do the trick?


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I said deal with her loss, not with the underlying (0.00 / 0)
issues regarding gender, sexism, etc. Clearly, the latter are still with us and in need of being dealt with seriously. But I was specifically referring to this election, Hillary’s loss, and that for better or worse Obama, not Hillary, is our candidate.

We’re dealing with two related but separate things here. One is the immediate and urgent matter of supporting and helping to elect a candidate whom only a fool would claim is no better than McCain on not only this issue, but so many others. The other is continuing to deal with our society’s ongoing issues with sexism (as well as racism, nativism, homophobia, and all other bigotry). This election will not resolve these latter issues. But if McCain wins, it will be vastly harder to resolve them, at least in ways that everyone here would agree with. So when I say “deal with it”, I am referring only to Hillary’s loss, not with these much deeper and larger issues, which I think some people have been excessively and illegitimately conflating.

It’s just like FISA. I was one of the loudest voices here and on some other blogs when he came out with his disgraceful flip-flop, excorciating him as a sellout, coward and liar. And, for around 3 seconds, I flirted with the idea of not supporting him. I got past that almost right away, and asserted that while I continued to deeply disagree with and be disappointed by Obama on FISA, I would continue to support him, and would obviously vote for him.

It’s a “walk and chew gum at the same time” thing. We can disagree with and be harshly criticial of Dems like Obama while continuing to support them, because the alternative is far, far worse. (And I will not entertain the truly disturbed types who claim that the best thing is to not support anyone and hope that everything comes crashing down soon, so that we can rebuild from scratch, Khmer-Rouge “Year One” style.)

People who were upset with what happened to Clinton in the primaries have the right to be upset. But they don’t have the (moral) right to claim to be feminists, yet refuse to support the only viable candidate in this election–or worse, support McCain. This is simply idiotic, a form of self-absorbed political infantilism, threatening to hold one’s breath until one turns blue in the face and people start noticing.

To these people, I say I feel bad for you, we absolutely do need to deal with these lingering and serious problems, but seriously, GROW UP, because if McCain wins it’s only going to get worse! Just as it will with FISA. There’s a huge difference between far from perfect and simply unacceptable. And cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face helps no one. I just don’t get these people, or what Obama could do to turn them around. Are their needs more important than those of anyone else in this country who is hurting?

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Re: I said deal with her loss, not with the underlying (0.00 / 0)
Okay, that’s a detailed and good response. I will assume that you are urging Clinton supporters to deal with her loss, not me, since I am not a Clinton supporter.

Most of the rest of your post I can agree with, except: note that my response was to the explicit concern expressed in the post, to wit, how to bring back the older women. From a purely practical standpoint, if it the sexist shit that has them riled up, it doesn’t help to feel bad for them or urge them to grow up, but rather, what would help is to confront that issue head on and talk about those issues.

Finally, while I think you (and others) offer a good argument for supporting a Democrat (what I would call a “lesser evil” argument). But: if a woman/feminists (a) doesn’t see sustained and vocal support for my issue from the party and its candidate, (b) and sees the candidate’s staff and supporters indulge in sexism to varying degrees, (c) and feels that most advances for the cause have come from outside the system, then there is some legitimacy in deciding (not out of petulance, spite, etc) to refuse to participate in the charade and organise differently/elsewhere.
 


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You last paragraph sums up the problem as I see it (0.00 / 0)
I.e. a problem of perception and constituent relations, not reality. While I’m sure that there was some lower-level sexism going on (e.g. “claws”, “periodic”–don’t think that I didn’t notice these things and occasionally cringe at both their insensitivity and political stupidity without needed to have them pointed out to me), and it does appear that his campaign might have benefitted from sexism that was clearly coming from elsewhere (NOT coordinated, but from the media, “make me a sandwhich” idiots, etc.), I don’t see Obama or his campaign as having engaged in a deliberately sexist campaign against Clinton, nor even having engaged in serious non-deliberate sexism of the sort that McCain is infamous for (I need not provide examples).

These people, though, don’t see it that way. Fine. People disagree. But when one side believes that it has been terribly wronged, and the side that it believes has wronged it doesn’t believe that it has, the only thing that the latter can really offer, without being dishonest or patronizing, is to sort of take a “time out” to talk things over. To the extent that this might help, I’m fine with that, if it would help. But what I don’t think the Obama campaign needs to, or should do, is apologize for what it, I, and many others, don’t believe it needs to apologize for (beyond the aforementioned unfortunate remarks, which I don’t believe rise to the level of the sort egregious sexism that they claim took place).

This would also, I think, fit well with Obama’s “post-partisan” brand of politics, which the GOP has dishonestly called appeasment, but which I view (if he’s being honest about it, at least) as acknowledging and talking to the other side without necessarily conceding it anything. Couldn’t hurt, if done right, and it might actually help. But no pandering, or unnecessary apologizing. That’s just lame, and stupid.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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A weird observation on my part (0.00 / 0)
One of the problems with older men is that they tend to be set in their ways and not very good listeners. It’s a typically male thing that only gets worse with age (for many, not all men of course). And with McCain-supporting older men (who of course tend to be white), there’s also the “angry white male” factor, i.e. older white males who are upset at the world for one reason or another, be it that the world isn’t how they think it should be, that they’ve suffered personal failures that they’re projecting onto others, or, most of all, that they’re getting older and the world just doesn’t need or care about or celebrate them the way it used to when they were younger.

I.e. it’s the “cabron” mentality, a commonly-used Spanish epithet that’s used to call someone unmanly, but which literally means old rooster–i.e. a male past his prime and no longer really useful for much. These are the Archie Bunkers of the world, who don’t deal well with change or difference, are convinced that their view of the world is the only correct one, are closed to new and alternative ideas and people, and tend to get angry when confronted with them. No wonder they’re with McCain–McCain is one of them, their patron saint, really (along with the likes of Cheney, Reagan, Nixon, etc.). And Obama is unlikely to turn many of them around at this point. They are a textbook definition of cutting off one’s nose to spite one’s face.

And, on a semi-related observation, I think that Obama is being a bit too much the typical male himself in his apparent unwillingness to listen to or coordinate strategy and messaging with people outside his campaign. That’s just stupid, self-defeating, and vain. This is a group effort–which he leads, of course–and it can only be won that way. And even if he wins, he’ll find it nearly impossible to govern effectively if he doesn’t reach out to and work with others who are outside his circle of confidantes. He might stand to learn from Lincoln in this respect, whom he’s held out as one of his political idols.

As for the other demo he’s having problems with, older white women (who are not fundies), I think that he can turn them around. It’ll be a challenge, but women are just naturally more open-minded than men. (Being one of the latter, I know this first-hand. 😉 ) He needs to solicit the help of prominent female surrogates with this, but I think that it can be done over 2 months–especially as the Palin effect recedes.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


 
See Ravi's post above. (0.00 / 0)
Obama could turn around women with a speech about women and sexism on the order of his speech about race.

But he won’t.

And that, my friend, is the key point.


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I.e. you buy into the bullshit meme about how HE (4.00 / 1)
engaged in a deliberately sexist campaign against Clinton, and that THIS is why he’s losing the white female vote–as opposed to because he’s black, male and urban, and Palin’s white, female and suburban (as was Clinton), and the women who have shifted to McCain are doing so predominantly because of this (as was the case with Clinton)?

That, my friend, is sheer and utter horseshit.

It’s not what he says and does, or what he doesn’t say and do. It’s who and what he is, and who and what he isn’t. Identity politics 101, my friend. It’s laughable to suggest otherwise.

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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I don't think he's sexist (4.00 / 1)
I just think he’s oblivious.

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To what?!? (0.00 / 0)
The needs of certain people (i.e. spoiled affluent suburban white women in their 12mpg SUVs) to be coddled like they’re freaking 8 year olds? He’s talking about the ISSUES, ones that I would imagine matter to many of these women, like jobs, health care, national security, taxes, education–and he’s instead supposed to whisper soothing words into their ears–like they’re freaking 8 year olds?!? What exactly is he supposed to say, that he hasn’t said, that for reasons that I cannot begin to fathom he owes them? What has he said or done to warrant such words and reassurances? What are you saying or implying here about Obama that I don’t get?

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)

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Not the only one who's oblivious, apparently….. (2.00 / 2)


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What are you, literally 12? (0.00 / 1)
Or is self-congratulatory snark your idea of substance?

Have fun being a PUMA…

The liberal soul shall be made fat. He who waters shall be watered also himself. (Proverbs 11:25)


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Rhetoric and age (0.00 / 0)
Kovie, what is the appropriate age for “deal with it”, “petulant whining”, etc? As Taylor notes, Obama (as far as we can tell) is neither sexist nor did he personally promote or carry out any sexist acts. However, as a Democrat (which I agree is barely left of center, if at all, but still) he needs to speak strongly to these issues. And he needs to tell Oprah and Co to STFU (there’s 12 year old language for you!) with their proclamations about how we are now beyond sexism and racism. And he needs (or needed) to tell his campaign to stop using T-shirts that said “Stop the Drama”, stop saying things like “the claws come out”, so on.

Women or feminists who are pissed and withholding their support are carrying out two things: a) refusing on principle to support a party (its not just about the candidate) that did not stand up and shout from the rooftops in response to the Tucker Carlsons, nut-cracking gift shop trinkets, etc and (b) correctly sense that the ranks of Facebook’s “Life’s a bitch, why vote for one?” group and similar efforts, are not entirely made up of right-wingers.

The response, IMHO, is exactly not to send “surrogates” to “mollify” (not your term) the uppity women. Or to finesse the differences between Obama vs Plouffe vs Obama supporters vs Republicans vs media. An injury to one is an injury to all, Kovie. That’s the principle! Forget the PUMAs if they irritate you. That sort of reaction is exactly what powers the irrational choices of Uncle Fred who voted for Bush because he can drink beer with him while Kerry sounds French.


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