Tweaked Swing State Chart

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 06:00



Due to popular demand, I have created a swing state chart that is slightly modified from my normal methodology. Most importantly, I removed all of the Zogby Internet polls. Also, I removed three states, Indiana, New York and West Virginia, whose status as swing states was dubious at best, and based off of single polls that were either old or outliers.

With those tweaks, and looking only at polls conducted entirely after the Republican convention, here is the swing state chart:

Swing State Overview (270 to win, 269 to tie)
(Swing States are defined as states closer than 5.0%)
State EV’s Obama % McCain % Margin Obama Total
Obama Base 190 190
Minnesota 10 49.0% 44.3% +4.7% 200
Washington 11 47.0% 43.0% +4.0% 211
Wisconsin 10 46.0% 43.0% +3.0% 221
Michigan 17 47.2% 45.2% +2.0% 238
Pennsylvania 21 47.3% 45.7% +1.6% 259
Colorado 9 47.3% 46.7% +0.6% 268
Virginia 13 48.0% 48.0% Even 281
Nevada 5 45.5% 47.5% -2.0% 286
New Mexico 5 47.0% 49.0% -2.0% 291
Ohio 20 45.1% 47.3% -2.3% 311
McCain Base 227 227

This chart conceptualizes the campaign as essentially a seven state affair right now. With Obama starting at 221 electoral votes, and McCain starting at 227 electoral votes, the seven closest states are Colorado, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Virginia.  Such a close forecast is given further credence by yesterday’s tracking poll average, which suggested a 46.0%-46.0% tie.

While these numbers add plausibility to the notion that the campaign is exactly tied right now, I have to admit that my gut does not matchup with that prognosis. Something just feels wrong with these numbers. Maybe it is that the two smaller, newer tracking polls are the better ones for Obama. Maybe it is that the swing state chart only shows a tie because Obama is tied in Virginia, and it seems strange that he would drop nationwide but not lose any ground–or even gain–in Virginia. Maybe it is that I dropped some polls from this average (Zogby tracking, plus the most recent polls from Indiana, New York and West Virginia), just because they “felt” wrong. Maybe I am just a numbers worshiper, but it “feels” wrong to remove polls that “feel” wrong–event he Zogby Internet polls that are, in many cases, obviously wrong (like when they showed Obama up eight in North Carolina).

Pollster.com currently shows McCain ahead by 1.7% nationally, and by 278-260 in the electoral college if every state is pushed to make a choice. Forecasting a slight McCain lead just feels more accurate to me right now than an exact tie. However, since analyzing polls shouldn’t mix with talking about your feelings, I’ll just admit that both scenarios–a slight McCain lead and an exact tie–are real possibilities right now.

Update: Obama leads by 4% in today’s Daily Kos tracking poll. That is a hopeful sign.

Update 2: McCain’s lead in Rasmussen is down to one point. Also, accoding to Haggai, in all likelihood Obama led in yesterday’s polling. I think tremayne is really onto something with his tracking of the Palin crash.

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W.Va. status determined how? (4.00 / 1)
You said…

“Also, I removed three states, Indiana, New York and West Virginia, whose status as swing states was dubious at best, and based off of single polls that were either old or outliers.”

It’s your chart, so I don’t have a problem with you deciding W.Va. doesn’t belong on it. I’m just not clear how West Virginia fits into the “old or outlier” status for polling.

There have been two public polls in W.Va. One, from months ago, had it as a 7 point race. The second, from this month, has it as a 5 point race post-conventions.

McCain has made multiple stops in the state (though for some reason the Washington Post tracker doesn’t list them) and Obama is continuing to invest resources in field offices.

There is plenty going on here. The great thing about W.Va.is, McCain isn’t popular here. That makes the state ripe for the taking.

Visit wild, wonderful West Virginia Blue


 
hehehe (0.00 / 0)
you said ‘DailyKos tracking poll’.

Michael Bloomberg, prince of corporate welfare

 
hehehe (0.00 / 0)
You also said an Obama lead “is a hopeful sign.”

[ Parent ]  
it's not as bad as it looks, right? (0.00 / 0)
If Obama can hold on to the Kerry states, and win Iowa and Virginia, he wins. He looks solid in Iowa, and recent polls are favorable in Virginia.

So the key is to hold on to Michigan and Pennsylvania, which is why, I guess, they have Biden parked there.

I’m sorry to see Nevada and New Mexico trending back toward McCain.  


 
NV and NM will likely be back (0.00 / 0)
There is a tremendous CA opertation in conjunction with people in NV to identify Obama supporters and get them to the polls.  Combined with increased voter registration and three strong Dem congressional candidates, NV will swing to the Dems.  I think NM will too based on new registrants and Latino voting.  They may be narrow, but enough.

The bloom is coming off the Palin rose and she is looking like just another politician.  The squeals from the Betrayed Media about McCain’s move to the dark side are accelerating, showing that the price for the brief Palin Bounce was too high.  McCain should not benefit at all from economic problems if Obama can get a more coherent message, something he seems to be doing.

The only thing that could change things seriously at this point are the debates and the economy, as Matt says, also some foreign issue.  Looks to me like around 290-303 EVs but Obama wins.

John McCain–He’s not who you think he is.


[ Parent ]  
my dad lives in eastern NV (0.00 / 0)
and if NV goes blue we will have a landslide on our hands. i think it is much closer to being red than your post suggests. i hope that you are right.

[ Parent ]  
Where's New Hampshire? (4.00 / 1)


 
In Obama's base (4.00 / 1)
The one post convention, non-Zogby poll shows Obama up by 6% in New Hampshire. So, it isn’t listed hre.

John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion

[ Parent ]  
Kinda OT (0.00 / 0)
Does anyone have any info on, or could point me to an article about the Obama people’s plans for the October 1-week “register/vote at the same time” states?

I mean, an article describing what they’re going to do, and whether they make any predictions as to their goal numbers.

It seems to me that this would be an absolutely critical opportunity for them — I mean, just huge — and a clear indicator of the strength of their GOTV operation (the hopes for which I cling to at night when I get depressed, praying that it will come through and save the day).

I would even consider getting myself to Ohio from Los Angeles in order to get the people registered and voted.

Anyone? Byooler?



 
just out of curiosity (0.00 / 0)
Does anyone put any stock at all in the daily kos numbers? I just don’t think its a coincidence that the dailykos poll is significantly more left skewing.  

 
to ask this another way (4.00 / 1)
if little green footballs had a poll that showed McCain was up by 5 points would anyone here think it meant anything?

[ Parent ]  
Kos != LGF (0.00 / 0)
Of course not but Daily Kos and Little Green Footballs are not equivalents. From all appearances, Markos is trying to have an accurate and transparent tracking poll. You can argue with his party id numbers, but it’s not clear to me that anybody really knows what the party id breakdown will be on November 4. Why should we reject Markos’ numbers and accept Rasmussen’s (a GOP polling firm with a GOP house bias)? If LGF ran a poll and it showed McCain +5, there would be no doubt in anybody’s mind it was bullshit because LGF are a bunch of wingnut partisan hacks and it would never occur to them not to slant a tracking poll towards their candidate.

[ Parent ]  
I agree with Redwards take on Ras… (0.00 / 0)
the most favorable take on Ras is that it is a non-partisan firm with a strong inherent GOP bias.  Another take is that it is just a partisan GOP firm and the numbers should be looked at like all other partisan polling numbers.  This seems to be redwards take, and I have to say I agree with him/her, but I’m not aware of any evidence supporting this view.  In fact reading the
[ Parent ]  
Sorry… (0.00 / 0)
my link didn’t take.  Anyway, I wanted to say that the Ras ‘about us’ site clearly shows Ras considers themselves non-partisan.  However, if they are as GOP biassed in 08 as they were in 06, I think people like Chris, who analyze polls, are going to have to start introducing correction factors for the inherent bias of certain pollsters in order to get a true picture of a race.  This is pertinent to the current discussion since the polls Chris is relying on his analysis are very heavy on Ras numbers, which likely skews towards the GOP.  For instance, I think the only poll in the NM 49M-47O number are from Ras.

[ Parent ]  
Nate Silver (0.00 / 0)
at 538 rates them very highly when compared to election results:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com…



John McCain or Barack Obama?


[ Parent ]  
why not (0.00 / 0)
Reality has a liberal bias.

[ Parent ]  
trend lines (4.00 / 2)
watch the trendlines. all tracking polls have their own bias in terms of the assumptions they make about the electorate and how is going to show up to vote–as long as the polling methodology is kept the same every day, there’s no reason to believe that any one tracking poll is going to be biased in one direction or another.  what makes a tracking poll valuable is the ability to watch daily swings.

what makes the dKos tracking poll even more valuable is the transparency on details. no one else releases as much detail about their polls.

Visit wild, wonderful West Virginia Blue


[ Parent ]  
It's conducted by Reseach 2000 and… (4.00 / 1)
the party IDs are nearly identical to Diego/Hotline tracking and only slightly different than Rasmussen.  We have no idea what Gallup’s party IDs are.  As for Rasmussen, they only recently changed their party composition to be more GOP favorable and this change is curious at best given the passion among Dems this year.  If you use Rasmussen prior party Ids, Obama is ahead by at least 3 pts.  

[ Parent ]  
Research 2000 (0.00 / 0)
Shouldn’t the issue be how much stock we put in Research2000? I really doubt Kos tells them how to run their poll.

[ Parent ]  
Slightly OT (0.00 / 0)
but still relevant.

If I hear one more time how awesome Sarah Palin is from any of my friends, families or co-workers, I’m going to scream.

I have an ex co-worker, a Democrat mind you, who keeps sending me these e-mails of pro-Sarah Palin cartoons and keeps sending me the factcheck.org page complaining about “Obama’s lies about Palin” but never seems to check out the part showing her lies…or gets offended when I do it.

Sarah Palin is killing us. We should’ve seen this coming.  


 
no (4.00 / 1)
Sarah Palin is not killing us. She’s a gift that keeps on giving.

John McCain or Barack Obama?

[ Parent ]  
thanks (4.00 / 1)
Thanks, Chris. I feel much more comfortable with this list of swing states. I’m not sure why you are having difficulty with the decision to remove Zogby Internet numbers. Those aren’t even polls in any meaningful sense and you yourself note that their results are clearly wrong in a number of states such as NC.

My feeling is that if these state poll averages could be corrected for a more realistic party id breakdown and for Obama’s ground game/new Democratic voter registration that we would see the race is not in fact even, but rather that Obama has a lead in all of these states except perhaps Ohio. Hopefully we’ll start seeing a lot more state polls in the coming weeks.


 
Indiana (4.00 / 3)
I have to disagree about taking Indiana out of the mix.

The poll numbers for the Presidential race in Indiana have stayed pretty steady since June, while the numbers have steadily increased for Republican Gov. Mitch Daniels.

6/24 – Obama 48, McCain 47, 4% MoE (SUSA) – Link
8/19 – Obama 44, McCain 50, 4% MoE (SUSA) – Link
9/4 – Obama 43, McCain 45, 4% MoE (Howey-Gauge) – Link

The August SUSA poll inexplicably showed a decrease in the percentage of likely voters who are African-American, among other little inconsistencies. Also note that the Howey-Gauge poll was taken after the Palin selection.

McCain is consistently underperforming both Mitch Daniels and generic R for the state. And I can tell you anecdotally, on the ground, there’s something different about this race. We haven’t seen this many new voter registrations (more than 500K through July) in a long time.


 
What I don't get about posts like this. (0.00 / 0)
People like Chris Bowers and Jerome Armstrong offer us what is suppose to be expert political analysis on the state of the race but they fail to mention the most important factor in any such analysis – time frames for the available state polling.  Nearly all of the available state polling was conducted prior to the steep decline in the McCain/Palin bounce and prior to the media narrative turning against McCain (i.e., “Say Anything McCain”).  These factors are undeniably present and must be included in any responsible analysis on the state of the race.

Bower’s post here and Armstrong’s “sober” post today should be entitled “The State of the Race as 4 Days Ago”.


 
Bowers just updated to include "Palin Crash" meme (0.00 / 0)
so I stand partly corrected

[ Parent ]  
Case in point on state polling turning to Obama… (0.00 / 0)
ARG polls just released have him ahead in NM and just 2 pts behind in Montana.

http://politicalwire.com/archi…

The Palin love affair is over.  


[ Parent ]  
My gut agrees with you… (4.00 / 2)

I have been looking though stories that are hitting headlines on Google News: pig-gate is dead, the bridge is a joke, no one thinks Obama is a child molester, most news is on the financial crisis and Obama hitting McCain on the economy.

Joe Biden is also earning his corn with some good hits at McCain as out of touch with ordinary Americans. There’s a good story about the tepid audiences McCain is getting when Palin is not with him.

A lot of the stories on the race are definitely boring “old hat” – the sort of advice to Obama we were tossing around on this blog last week. Lots of rubbish about Obama under pressure, Dems panicking etc. That’s not the message of the polls and the most current news headlines, and even the polls are out of date by a few days.

I get the Diageo/ Hotline poll and it is definitely trending back toward Obama – he has shot back up as more trustworthy on healthcare, the economy and energy.
McCain does best on national security.

The financial mess probably helps Obama, but the Georgia crisis probably helped McCain when it broke last month.


[ Parent ]  
Frankly (4.00 / 3)
Comparing the excellent balanced analysis Chris offers to Jerome’s clear anti-Obama screeds is an insult to Chris.

[ Parent ]  
Good Point. (0.00 / 0)
Sorry Chris

[ Parent ]  
funny i always thought he was a she (0.00 / 0)
tremayne that is

ps i think IN will surprise us


 
The tweak I wanted… (0.00 / 0)
Had more states, not less.  I wanted an overall picture of all the states Obama was still (theoretically) contesting, which would put a few more states up there.

 
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