1960s

Three Progressivisms: Trying to Find Logic in Silver's "Rationalist/Radical" Dichotomy

by: educationaction

Sat Feb 28, 2009 at 14:23

(This excellent diary brings a great deal more depth to our understanding of what the term "progressive" means historically, and then shows how that accurate historical understanding illuminates deeper problems with Nate Silver's recent simplistic dichotomization.  Lot's to think about here, folks! - promoted by Paul Rosenberg)

This is a belated follow-up to Paul and David's critiques of Nate Silver's "Rationalist vs. Radical" progressivism.  The dichotomies Silver laid out include:

Rationalist vs. Radical

Empirical vs. Normative

Sees politics as a battle of ideas vs. Sees politics as a battle of wills

Technocratic vs. Populist

Prone to elitism vs. Prone to demagoguery

Prone to co-optation vs. Difficult to organize

Optimistic vs. Pessimistic

Conversational vs. Action Oriented

The ensuing discussion focused mostly on how progressives think, or frame the world.  I want to look, instead, at something different and potentially more important: how progressives have historically conceptualized ACTION.  

In ongoing historical work towards a book I'm calling Social Class, Social Action, and the Failures of Progressive Democracy, I argue that there are actually three distinct forms of progressivism, all drawing from different interrelated aspects of middle-class culture:  Administrative, Collaborative, and Personalist progressives.  As with any categorizations, these have their own problems, but I think reflect key historical realities.

Not only do Silver's comparisons miss this three-fold complexity, but he also mixes in working-class models of social action as well.  

After the jump I lay out these three different progressive camps, and then return to Silver's dichotomy, adding in the working-class influence as well.  (This extends on some comments I made earlier)  See my full series on "Core Dilemmas of Community Organizing" here.

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Women's Voices / Women's Struggles By The Decades: Part 2--1960s

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jun 07, 2008 at 10:09

[UPDATE]: I am re-promoting this diary in hopes of getting a more robust response.  I wanted to do a decade-by-decade series, but unfortunately, there was not sufficient interest during the week to warrant it.  I am hoping this will change.

This is the second installation of a decade-by-decade diary series calling for people to share their experiences, from everyday experience of family and friends, to local politics, all the way on up, as high as our experience reaches. The point of this series is to get at women's experience and the growth and development of feminist consciousness-and/or womanist consciousness as many women of color prefer.  Naturally this does not exclude men.  We are an important part of this story, even if we are not the center of it. But our main role here is one of listening. For a longer explanation, see the first installment here.  

I originally planned to do one a day, but it seems that a slower pace is called for, so I will leave this one up Wednessday and Thursday, before going on to the 1970s on Friday.  I also invite any woman who wants to volunteer to write the intro for the next diary to contact me (see my users page  for my email address).

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