Left Ed: When you're an ed-deformist, who needs evidence?

by: jeffbinnc

Sun May 16, 2010 at 16:00


The column by Juan Gonzales on the corrupt financial scheme behind charter schools that Paul linked to in last week's terrific diary has now reverberated throughout the edublogoshpere. (See here, here, and here.)

Similarly, my Quick Hit linking to Charles Murray's ridiculous NY Times op-ed exempting voucher schools from the same kind of accountability being used to pummel traditional public schools also drew the attention of Diane Ravitch, who quite rightly pointed out the "double standard" that "when public schools fail to raise test scores, it is a sign of their decrepitude and failure; when voucher schools fail to raise test scores, well, so what, they weren't supposed to do that."

As if on cue, charter school cheerleader Paul E. Peterson anted-up to the stupidity of school "reformist" arguments by claiming that "what makes charters so important today is not so much their current success, on average, but their long-term potential to innovate." Got that? Charter schools don't have to prove they're any good at all. It's all about "choice" and "innovation." But in the meantime, those traditional public schools had better measure up!

In the meantime, what is the track record for "innovation?" When it comes to teacher preparation - another whipping post for the reformists - not so hot. Edublogger Claus von Zastrow uses a new report from The National Research Council as evidence of the whole folly of chasing after reformist innovations:

"We spend an awful lot of time in this country debating the relative merits of 'traditional' and 'alternative' approaches to education. We'd do far better to spend our time looking for what works, whether it's new or old, sexy or boring, alternative or traditional.

The National Research Council's new report on teacher preparation bears out this point. The report's authors found that 'there is more variation within the "traditional" and "alternative" categories than there is between these categories.' What's more, they found 'no evidence that any one pathway into teaching is the best way to attract and prepare desirable candidates and guide them into the teaching force.'

And that's our biggest problem. We lack evidence to inform our ever more strident debates between new and old."


(emphasis not added)

In the meantime, the number of scandals involving those "innovative" charter schools has grown so large that there is now a new blog devoted entirely to keeping us up to date on the whole disgraceful matter. (BIG hat tip to Jim Horn.

My reason for these scattershots across the arc of the education debate is to hammer home the point that the policy ideas of the Obama Administration and other school reform enthusiasts are not based on any evidence whatsoever that any of the new "innovations" they are pushing for - charter schools, basing teacher evaluations on student test scores, alternative certification - will work.

jeffbinnc :: Left Ed: When you're an ed-deformist, who needs evidence?
Even when evidence is brought to the debate by the so-called reformists, it rarely stands up to scrutiny, as is the case with the "miracle" of Sam Houston High School being touted by Tex. Governor Rick Perry and Sec. of Education Arne Duncan. Apparently, rather than actually doing something to deliver better education to the children of that community, what reformists at Houston High figured out was that the way to "turnaround" a low performing school was to significantly lower the percentage of minority students and then call it "improvement." Voila! (h/t ASCD SmartBrief)

Nevertheless, the idiocy of the ed-reformists marches on, most recently in opposition to Sen. Tom Harkin's bill to keep thousands of teachers from getting laid off.

What's got some of those opposed to the bill so up in arms is that there's nothing in the bill that would make schools jump though all kinds of Race-to-the-Top-style hoops in order to get money to save teachers' jobs. Specifically, many of the disgruntled want measures put into the legislation that will ensure that in order for schools to get the money they have to agree to a process to weed out "bad" teachers. Because most schools consider seniority as a significant factor in evaluating who stays and who goes from a teaching staff, the fake-reform crowd wants schools to instead use "value-added data" to spotlight the "bad" teachers, many of whom are presumed to be "entrenched" and "overpaid."

Problem is, there's ample evidence that it's a bad idea to evaluate teachers based on their "performance" because no one knows how to do it reliably and fairly.

In fact, when you look at the actual evidence for linking teacher ranks to student performance, reformists should be pushing for schools to add more staff, specifically literacy coaches who have a proven track record for helping school faculty become better teachers of reading and literacy.

Furthermore, there's a pretty good argument that all this emphasis on getting rid of "bad" teachers actually creates more bad teachers, as it makes teachers afraid to become more innovative. (And isn't "innovation" one of the sacred cows of the ed-deformists?)

What's never mentioned in any of this diatribe about "bad" teachers is the incredible level of selflessness that teachers bring to their work. A new national survey "finds 97 percent of teachers will do whatever it takes to help kids learn - even paying out-of-pocket for classroom supplies."

As I called attention to in a previous Quick Hit, Core Knowledge Blog summed up the reality of being a teacher in America these days:

"Teacher training programs in schools of education are, to put it charitably, of uneven quality.  Teachers have no say on curriculum (and more often than not no curriculum at all) and little control over the pedagogical methods they employ.  School environment and disciplinary policies are above their pay grade.  In sum, the proposition for a classroom teacher too often boils down to this:  take your third-rate training, your lack of meaningful feedback, your absence of meaningful professional development, this content-free, feel-good pedagogy, and teach it in the cognitively suspect way we demand.  And if you fail, the fault is...yours!

Yeah, that'll work. It has to, in fact, because we're all about accountability."

This Week's Duncehat Award: Mike Petrilli of the Thomas B. Fordham Institute
The breaking news from the Thomas B. Fordham Institute is that there's a surefire solution to better schools and Mike Petrilli has got it. And the silver bullet is this: Make teaching a dead-end job. (h/t Public Schools Insight)

That's right! The whole problem with the American system of public schools is that "our education system has way too many veteran teachers who cost way too much money and provide way too little value." His evidence for this? Petrilli offers a single link to a voluminous pdf that cites some evidence that improvements in math test scores are not affected by teachers who have more then three years experience.

Other than that, his argument relies to a great extent on data from - you guessed it - charter schools that supposedly know how to "get more bang for their buck" because their market-based wisdom guides them into hiring younger and non-union teachers who don't stay very long.

Apparently that's the only evidence he needs to make this sweeping generalization that veteran teachers are just so much dead wood. As a "compromise," he would accept "wage and benefits concessions" instead of mass lay-offs. But the fact is, as this Quick Hit from The Big Hurt alerted us to, "wages and salaries of state and local employees are lower than those for private sector employees with comparable earnings determinants, such as education and work experience. State workers typically earn 11 percent less and local workers 12 percent less."

That data coupled with the afore mentioned national survey showing that teachers on average spend $623 of their own money on supplies for their students each year is enough evidence to refute Petrilli's argument that America has over-invested in teacher salaries. But when you're an ed-deformist, who needs evidence?


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Obviously The Duncehat Logic Doesn't Go Far Enough! (4.00 / 2)
The problem is that we have too much education, period.

Who needs it, anyway?  America is still a wealthy nation, with lots of guns and bombs.  We can buy or bully anything we need from other nations.  Why bother educating our own people?  Heck, if we do educate them, they might even object to buying and bullying everything we need!

After all, it worked so well for Rome and Nazi Germany!


Damn!  It's really incredibly hard to satirize these people.  And when I do, I get scared that I'm giving them ideas.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


"The problem is that we have too much education, period." (4.00 / 3)
Indeed that is the argument becoming more and more in vogue in the chatty class these days:
"The notion that a four-year degree is essential for real success is being challenged by a growing number of economists, policy analysts and academics. They say more Americans should consider other options such as technical training or two-year schools, which have been embraced in Europe for decades.

As evidence, experts cite rising student debt, stagnant graduation rates and a struggling job market flooded with overqualified degree-holders. They pose a fundamental question: Do too many students go to college?"

The dumbing down of the American populace is a very real agenda for the power elites.


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Yikes! (4.00 / 1)
Beyond satire!

If Jonathan Swift were alive today, he too, would not be able to find work!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I want to be careful on this one: (0.00 / 0)
I have long felt that the idea that there was no meaningful life-path for anyone, without college, was ridiculous.  

There used to be in this country skilled jobs that did not require college training that were deemed worthy of respect.  I held one of these jobs for several years, even though I did have a college education.  Somewhere along the line, as these sorts of jobs were disappearing due to deindustrialization, also disappearing was the respect these jobs were accorded.

However, saying that in no way should detract from the scorn we heap on the chatty class and their oh-so-fashionable ideas.

The simple fact of the matter is that our educational system is a failure because the elites don't want EVERYONE to be meaningfully educated.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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I'll be equally careful (4.00 / 1)
in saying that I've always contended that someone in any walk of life -- whether you're a pipe fitter or a burger flipper -- with some college education is more apt to be happier/successful/informed than someone in the same economic level who has never attended college. But I have no data to conclusively prove this.

That said, yes the effort by the elites to purposefully dumb down America is now an open declaration we must push back against. Education is a universal human right.


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Sure (0.00 / 0)
college education can be great for anyone in any walk of life.  Can, but maybe not.  It should not be foreclosed to anyone who wants it.  

I live in an upscale town with a high school whose reputation is excellent.  It works very well for the economically elite.  It works less well for the economically disadvantaged students - who are a larger proportion of the student body than in the typical upscale suburb.  We say "the city thinks we're the suburbs and the suburbs think we're the city".  Our high school does have programs that cater to the needs of these students and taxes itself to pay for them.  But there is a "middle" group who can't keep up with the academically elite, but whose parents aren't impoverished either.  These students are very poorly served by the school system, and I know several of them.

The insane pressure stemming from the idea that you're dirt without a college education and deserve to be treated as such really needs to go.

I agree with you about the significance of the "open declaration".  For decades now, the elites have made hay with the idea that "teachers' unions are selfish and care nothing about educating their students".  Necessary for maintaining this line of attack was the fiction that the elites really did want to educate everyone and were only trying to find the best way.  Now that they are admitting that they've given up, our side has a new weapon to fight back with.


sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


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standardized tests should be about empowering students, not evaluating teachers (0.00 / 0)
I don't really care for the idea of paying teachers based on their student's test scores, and I think we're missing what standardized tests are for. They're not for evaluating teachers, they're for empowering students, by giving them a chance to demonstrate a competence in a certain subject. In a world without standardized tests, every student would be at the mercy of their particular teacher and their particular school, with no recourse.

Rather than paying teachers based on their students' test scores, I'd much rather pay the student's themselves, for achieving a certain level in high-school level standardized tests in reading, writing, math, etc.

It's important to realize what standardized tests can't measure. They can't measure creativity, motivation & persistence over the long term, social skills, empathy, etc. But to to the extent that standardized tests measure anything valuable, anything worth paying for, that money should go to the students themselves, not to the teachers.  


I meant to say . . . (0.00 / 0)
I meant to say, "They're not for evaluating teachers, nor for sorting students into percentiles, they're for empowering students, by giving them a chance to demonstrate a competence in a certain subject."

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Money and test scores shouldn't be linked, period. (4.00 / 3)
I'm glad you agree that paying teachers based on student test scores is a bad idea. But your inclination to pay students for higher test scores is equally flawed. That strategy was tried by some districts in Florida and was a colossal failure. The reality about standardized tests is that they are a snapshot of what a particular student is able to bring to the test (which is generally fraught with racial and economic bias) on a particular day. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Exactly when did we give up? (4.00 / 2)
Whatever happened to all those pushcart vendors and charwomen who scrimped and saved to send their kids to MIT or Tuskegee? How about the riveters and pipe-fitters who spent their nights attending CCNY classes? Does no one understand any longer what the GI Bill did for this country?

If answers to these questions aren't forthcoming -- and soon -- it won't be long before Glenn Beck will pass everywhere in the country for a public intellectual, and our transformation into a nation of croupiers, wage slaves and guns-for-hire will scarcely be noted anywhere, except on Web sites which take ten minutes to load even on the fastest connection.

Is that what we want? (Well, maybe Sarah Palin does, but who else?) Education may not get you a job these days, but it'll damned sure show you who's making it impossible for you to find a job, education or no. Like the ad says, priceless.


Depends on who "we" are. (4.00 / 2)
Most of us aren't giving up on ourselves. But our leaders are giving up on us, just as leaders around the world are doing at the behest of the World Bank. I quote Lois Weiner (emphasis added):

"So let us understand that this is a global project that began 40 years ago, was tested, refined - if you want to use that word - imposed on Africa, Asia, and Latin America by the World Bank. Why? Because developing countries wanted aid. If they wanted aid, they had to undergo economic restructuring AND educational reform."

The [World Bank's] analysis is the following: The market is the best regulator of all services, and the state, the welfare state causes problems by intruding on free choice. Next, the global economy requires that workers from every country compete with others for jobs. And since most people will be competing with workers in other countries for jobs requiring little formal education, money spent on a highly educated workforce is wasted. In other words, most jobs are in Walmarts. You know that. You know that; that's the level of education - seventh or eighth grade. And the plan is - they say this in this document - we're all going to be competing for these jobs that require a seventh or eighth grade education. Not all of us, of course. Some people are not. Therefore, money spent on education is wasted. It should be spent on other things: on dams, on roads, on health care. Of course they don't spend it on dams, or roads, or health care. But that's what they say in this report.

And think about this, because we don't need a highly educated workforce, we don't need highly educated teachers. Therefore, we can have a teaching force that's a revolving door. Teachers will use standardized scripts. Kids will be educated to a seventh or an eighth grade level. And that's OK! That's OK! In fact, not only is it OK; that's what we should be doing."



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Thanks for fighting the good fight, jeffb (4.00 / 3)
I've never seen it stated quite so brutally, but then I haven't really had the heart to look. As a formula for disaster, such policies would be hard to beat. Even Britain had more or less given up on them, persuaded in part, I think by folks like Aneurin Bevan and Tony Benn, and in part by immigration and the anachronism of class generally. Now, of course, they're having another look, just as we are.

The West is, I agree, in the testing phase of a whole new rationale for elites and a managerial state based on supposedly scientific calculations of economic advantage. The ruthlessness already in evidence in pursuit of this rationale rivals that of Stalin's pursuit of agricultural collectivization, if not yet here in the U.S., certainly in defenseless parts of the world -- the Southern Hemisphere generally, and South America in particular.

Viewed in that context, public education -- or the destruction of it -- seems like a minor factor. It isn't, of course, but it's hard for most people to see, let alone understand the danger. Meanwhile, the architects of doom continue relatively unmolested with their wrecking crews. A lot good of people are standing in their way, yourself included, but at this point, I have to say that the prognosis is looking pretty grim.


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You've really hit on something here: (4.00 / 1)
"Viewed in that context, public education -- or the destruction of it -- seems like a minor factor. It isn't, of course, but it's hard for most people to see, let alone understand the danger."

Progressives in general rarely discuss education policy - except to echo rightwing hegemonic messaging as Obama does. I've often thought that this may have to do with demographics -- being that fewer and fewer households include children. But now I see that it's really more about that bigger context, which you address, dwarfing all other endeavors.


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Until (4.00 / 2)
we come to grips with the extent to which virtually every policy choice is being dictated by the notion of comparative advantage, we will continue to see very wrong policies being implemented without real reflection as to the alternatives.  

As of this writing, the Euro is collapsing and as a result Europe is in the process of contemplating new austerity packages.  Such a policy in a period of deflation is quite mad, as is the cuts in higher education we have seen at the state level over the last year here.  



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This interesting one in Deborah Meier's piece in the link : (4.00 / 1)
Some of us are organizing a postcard campaign to Michelle Obama urging her to support policies that allow public schools to practice the kind of schooling she offers her own girls. Details next week.

Maybe we all can/should jump in and spread the word.  


To elaborate : (4.00 / 1)
Here is what Obama's darling daughters get for an education :
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...
Sidwell embraces a post-modernist paradigm of schooling defined by the following elements:

   * "A rich and rigorous interdisciplinary curriculum designed to stimulate creative inquiry, intellectual achievement and independent thinking in a world increasingly without borders."
   * Encouragement to its students"...to give expression to their artistic abilities." It does not cut the arts out of the curriculum to focus only on math and reading.
   * A community that values "the power of individual and collective reflection..." Sidwell values not only knowledge that is outside the child and teen but also what children and teens know within themselves. Sidwell encourages reflection and inner knowing, neither of which are acknowledged in any state's academic standards.
   * "An understanding of how diversity enriches us;" it recruits a diverse student body -- 39 percent of its students are persons of color -- and offers a global and multicultural curriculum.
   * Emphasis on "stewardship of the natural world;" it engages its students both in learning ecology and in developing the ethics that are at the core of the concept of stewardship: that every individual has a personal responsibility for ecological health and sustainability.
   * Promotion of service, and a curriculum and communal life that engage its students in understanding why "service to others enhances life."
   * Use of multiple forms of accessing knowledge and truth: "through scientific investigation, through creative expression, through conversation...through service within the school community and beyond."
   * A recognition that schooling is both about individual learning and about young people learning how to work together well with others. "Work on individual skills and knowledge is balanced with group learning, in which each person's unique insights contribute to a collective understanding."
   * Personalization of learning and education of the whole person. "Above all, we seek to be a school that nurtures a genuine love of learning and teaches students 'to let their lives speak.'" Sidwell 's central ambition is "to recognize and nurture each person's unique gifts."



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I noted this too! (4.00 / 1)
As soon as the postcard campaign is up and running I will post the url in a Quick Hit and in my weekly Left Ed column here on OpenLeft. You're so right that the education that the Obama children have access to is the type of education that all children deserve.

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Just came across this gem of a book "why is corporate america (4.00 / 2)
bashing our public schools?" by Kathy Emery and Susan Ohanian. Highly recommend it. They tie data systems to Holocaust (how IBM helped Nazis with data tracking). Another example : they issue a challenge to government to dictate the fuel efficiency standards improvement to auto industries in the same way they want to do publication. measure efficiency each year and replace CEO/management if they fail to reach the threshold and nationalize if they fail repeatedly.

And found reference to this gem :
http://www.storm-lake.k12.ia.u...


Thanks for this. (0.00 / 0)
I follow Susan Ohanion's blog and will look for the book and perhaps review it on Left Ed.

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Inability/Unwillingness to confront neo-liberalism (4.00 / 1)
On one level, it has been obvious to me ever since the "blame it all on teachers' unions" craze got started, back in, hell, I guess it was the Reagan era - although teacher's unions also had a bad odor in parts of the left dating back to the sixties - that there was no rational basis to this crusade, and the only possible reason I could think of for it to continue was that the elites really did want to stop educating all but a narrow slice of the population.

On the other hand, that hasn't been a charge that very many on the left have been willing to make.  To make it is a virtual indictment of the Democratic Party and even many left fractions of it some of whom justify their position with sixties-era anti-teacher's-union rhetoric.  (See Bill Ayers, for example).  And of course, it now means taking on the Obama Administration.

It's a very serious charge : you guys are about to consign the vast majority of our population to the "not-to-be-educated" class.  To make it virtually puts you outside the "serious player" category.  It's not something I particularly enjoy contemplating.

And yet I can't convince myself that it isn't true.

sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.


Thanks for this thoughtful comment. (4.00 / 1)
Just before reading it, I came across this article about the Detroit public schools being so hard up for money that it went to WalMart hat in hand "to offer a for-credit class in job-readiness training that also includes entry-level after-school jobs." I know it's risking some credibility to claim there's some vast conspiracy to dumb-down a significant portion of the American population -- or more accurately, coerce them into expecting less of their education opportunities -- but I can't ignore what is becoming plainly obvious.

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