Progressives running lots of red district primary challenges-are third-parties next?

by: Chris Bowers

Tue Jun 01, 2010 at 15:56



Ten years ago, the 2000 elections changed the broadly accepted parameters of progressive challenges to incumbent, center-right Democrats. Given that we all  had to suffer through the Bush administration even though Gore and Nader voters combined for a majority of the electorate, two de facto rules were laid down:

  1. Keep progressive challenges to center-right Democrats confined to Democratic primaries, not general elections;

  2. Keep those primary challenges confined to blue and swing districts, not red districts.
The basic idea behind these two rules has been to find ways to engage in progressive primary challenges that do not endanger Democratic chances to defeat Republicans.  Thus, there can be progressive accountability that does not actively help Republicans.

A counter-argument to these rules is that Democrats from red districts are exempted from any accountability, thus making it virtually impossible to build a progressive majority in Congress.  With Democrats now the governing party in D.C., this argument appears to be winning the day.

Progressive frustration at at right-wing Democrats who seek to water down, or outright block, even a modest, center-left agenda has entirely ended the self-imposed ban on the second rule (no primary challenges in red districts). There are numerous examples of this:

  1. Most obviously, Bill Halter’s primary challenge against Blanche Lincoln has been strongly supported by labor and netroots organizations alike.  This is even though Arkansas Arkansas has a Cook Partisan Index of Republican +9, making it a very difficult state for any Democrat to win this year.

  2. In North Carolina, two progressive primary challengers with literally no funding scored nearly 40% of the vote against Democrats Larry Kissell and Heath Shuler. Both Kissell and Shuler have voted  against a range of progressive priorities (they are under 50% for key votes on Progressive Punch), and the vote against came came primarily from the more liberal parts of their districts.

  3. In Utah, Jim Matheson was forced into a primary against Claudia Wright by progressive activists at the state caucus convention.  This is even though the district has a Cook PVI of Republican +15.

  4. In the Pennsylvania 17th, a district with a Cook PVI of Republican +5, the AFL-CIO withheld support from incumbent Blue Doog Tim Holden in the Democrats in his primary against progressive challenger Shelia Dow Ford.  In the end, the underfunded Ford did not do as well as the primary challengers in North Carolina (likely because she faced a 19-year incumbent rather than a freshman or a sophomore), but still scored a respectable 35%.

  5. There are also the examples of the Pennsylvania Senate (Joe Sestak), and Georgia 12 congressional district (Regina Thomas) primaries, both of which are pretty purple and not be easy to win in a year such as 2010.
There is actually more in the way of primary challenges to incumbent Democrats in red districts than in blue districts this year.  In many cases, these primary challenges have the official, or at least implied, support of netroots organizations and unions. This is a stark change from 2006 and 2008, when on many occasions I personally saw suggestions of primary challenges against Democrats in red districts dismissed outright, with no discussion, by leaders of these groups.

It is also a welcome change. If progressives are afraid of running progressive candidates in competitive or red districts, then we might as well just give up our whole movement right now.  To do so would be to simply cede the possibility of a progressive governing majority in D.C. at the start of the process, to to mention basically enable Blue Dogs who water down and block a center-left agenda.

I am far less convinced of dumping rule #1, not challenging center-right Democrats in general elections.  However, at least one major organization is starting to go down that path, too:

The Service Employees International Union and its North Carolina affiliate did not gather the 85,000 signatures by Tuesday’s deadline, meaning the third party, North Carolina First, will not be recognized on the general election ballot. But organizers said they are drafting an independent candidate to challenge Rep. Larry Kissell, a first-term Democrat from a swing district who voted no on health care.(…)

“We’re trying to give the voters in the district a choice that isn’t just the same old thing,” Rideout said. “The same old thing is a Democrat who goes to Washington and votes with the health insurance companies and a Republican who goes to Washington and votes with the health insurance companies.”(…)

This is an unusual move that Democratic officials warn could take away votes from Kissell and effectively hand the seat to a Republican.

Well duh, on that last point.  You would have to be pretty dense to not see that defeating Kissell, and having it serve as a warning to other Democrats in red and purple districts, was SEIU’s entire goal here.      They want Democrats in red districts to fear them.

While in general I do not agree with this accountability tactic, it is at least playing with a lot less fire than a left-wing third-party challenge in a presidential election. Perhaps an experiment in one or two congressional districts is at least worth a  try, to see if it does change Democratic behavior in any way.

From my vantage point, as a two-time Nader vote in 1996 and 2000, it seemed like this tactic woefully backfired for Nader and his supporters after 2000.  Instead of Democrats being forced to bow and respect of the Greens, Democrats ended up loathing them and fighting back harder.  Nader lost over 80% of his support from 2000 to 2004, and lost his place as a credible national figure on a wide variety of issues. Maybe it will turn out differently this time, but ten years ago this method truly stank as an effective accountability tactic for progressives.

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The Gore votes alone (4.00 / 2)
accounted for a majority of the electorate.  They even acounted for a majority of Florida, had they been allowed to count all of the votes (or had Gore not rolled over for the “good” of the country or, more accurately, the elite who run the country).

But, yes, that did lead to the rules you speak of being set down by Versailles in terms of not permitting any challenge to Dems from the left.  The problem – and I’m as guilty of this as anyone – is that many on the left accepted those rules and the narrative the Dems set down, unified by our hatred of Bush.  When it turned out that while some of us hated Bush because of his policies, most of the Democratic leadership hated him only because he was inarticulate and had an (R) after his name.  But it was only successful because idiots like me believed it.  It wasn’t Nader who failed, it was the rest of us.

I think one thing we have going for us is that the Democrats are much less credible now than they were even four years ago (when they promised if we gave them Congress, they’d end the Iraq war – psych!).  I do think it’s going to require a third party* of some sort to shake up our dynamic.  It’s pretty clear that as long as the two current parties can get away with taking turns screwing us on behalf of their donors, they’re going to do it.  

* I should note that I include among third parties, the potential for a split among the Dems into its liberal and conservative wings.  Of course, the liberal wing is almost psychologically incapable of challenging the main party on any issue no matter how important (war, poverty, environment), so I’m not sure we’ll see a split.  We’re likely just to see more capitulation to corporatism.  Still, a person can dream.


 
I Respectfully Disagree (4.00 / 2)
Most of your points are well-taken. But I think it’ll be a race to see whether the Democratic party splits, with corporate Democrats taking full control and traditional Democrats forming a third party OR traditional Democrats take back their party one election at a time. I’m rooting for the latter course because it does not require building a whole new party infrastructure. And it doesn’t add complexity at a time when the country faces very complex problems. Plus working people still instinctively expect Democratic politicians to be on their side.

However, if traditional Democrats can’t take back their party, or it takes too long, then a third party is likely to happen. But I don’t see corporate Democrats (aka moderate Republicans or worse) surviving as a viable version of the Democratic party over the long term. Voters who want Republicans will vote Republican, not Democrat. As we’ve seen, corporate Democrats only win elections when they con enough Republican and Democratic voters into believing they’re a kinder version of Republicans, compassionate conservatives.

And the counter dynamic also applies: working people will vote Democrat only if they see they have viable politicians when they go to vote. If all working people see are these corporate Democrats in the voting booth, all hell will break loose eventually. You can’t ignore the needs of 99% of Americans indefinitely and not expect the politicians of either party to pay a price.

Traditional Democrats have more than enough passion and smarts to eventually take back their party from the DINOs, as we’ve seen in the past few election cycles. It’s the aggregate effect that will matter most: traditional Democrats must win more and more of these elections against DINOs and they must win in ways that cause corporate Democrats to fear them, enough that they switch to become Republican or become true traditional Democrats if they want to stay in office.

To Chris’ point about selectively running a progressive Democrat in a general election where the Democrat and Republican are indistinguishable corporate whores, I’d say it would make an interesting test case. My hunch is that a well-funded independent who is a traditional Democrat could win given the current anti-incumbent mood among working people. Probably it should not be a blank all cases policy, however. At least it would be fun to watch a debate between an independent (traditional Democrat) and two Republicans, one a DINO and one a real Republican.

Anyhow, Chris has admitted he caused Bush’s election by voting Nader in 2000, so let’s focus on the future now that we have our history sorted out. 😎


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I hate to rehash the recount days….. (4.00 / 1)
But we should all acknowledge that Gore’s Recount request was pretty squirrelly and ripe for being thought unconstitutional, remember that he only wanted the ballots of 2 counties recounted and totals from the rest kept the same, which does seem unfair to me. They should have had the chutzpa to ask for a statewide recount.

the funk can move and the funk can remove- dig?

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If You're Going To Rehash, Then For Gosh Sakes, Know What You're Talking About! (4.00 / 2)
And don’t just rehash the dumb-ass Versailles talking points!

Florida law provided for recounts only based on a specific rationale.  Gore’s choice of specific counties was based on a conservative strategy of going after the perceived low-hanging fruit in a manner that by the rules was above reproach.  Of course, the GOP wasn’t playing by the rules, which makes Gore’s strategy sort of dumb, the same way that Obama’s bipartisan fetish is dumb.  But it doesn’t make it squirrelly–that was just the made-up GOP spin.  And it certainly doesn’t make it “ripe for being thought unconstitutional”, since it was specifically following Florida law.  

One further point:  you are confusing Gore’s pre-certification challenges to do hand recounts in certain counties with the post-certification stage, when all counties were mandated by law to recount their ballots.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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He asked for the recounts (0.00 / 0)
in places with Democratic heads of the board of elections because they were the only ones who would agree to conduct another recount.

Kathleen Harris wasn’t going to agree to a statewide recount.  

The only strategy to get a statewide recount was to sue the State of Florida.  Which Gore did, with results all are familiar with.

There was no legal strategy Gore could have pursued other than the one he ultimately did pursue.

It is worth noting that even on the hand recounts conducted by the media after the election, Florida was incredibly close.  Were are talking about razor thin margins among nearly 6 MILLION votes cast.  

Had Nader not run, Gore would have had enough of a margin to  have won Florida.  Nader effected the race in other ways as well.  


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True … (4.00 / 3)
While in general I do not agree with this accountability tactic, it is at least playing with a lot less fire than a left-wing third-party challenge in a presidential election.

but for a person like Kissell .. if he won’t vote for even basic Democratic planks(like Health Care) why should we even care if the seat goes Republican?  Besides .. that’s a swing district .. and the 3rd party candidate probably can win if they hit the economic issues


 
tribal loyalties run deep (0.00 / 0)
gotta root for Team Blue, even when it actually features Heath Fucking Shuler

[ Parent ]  
Do you care (0.00 / 0)
who is Speaker of the House?


[ Parent ]  
There's a big difference between Congress and the Presidency (4.00 / 4)
If a liberal challenge defeats a Representative or Senator, there are plenty of other conservative Dems in Congress who may well vote better to avoid a similar outcome for themselves. Losing Lincoln could conceivably increase the number of votes for controversial progressive legislation. There’s no comparable situation for the Presidency. When Nader helped Bush win, there was no conservative-leaning Democratic president to be influenced by the outcome, so it was basically all bad for progressive goals.

 
There were future conservative-leaning Democratic presidents and presidential nominees (0.00 / 0)
But of course they’re never gonna take a lesson from the left as long as they can talk down to us instead.

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Not About Center-Right (4.00 / 5)
I think Chris knows this, but to me, these primary challenges are more about two-facing and goalpost shifting than ideology.  Halter, to use Arkansas as the example, is more liberal than Lincoln, true, but that’s not really why he entered the race.  It’s because Lincoln said she was for something and then did her best to prevent the very thing she ran on from being passed into law.  Her method of watering down legislation wasn’t about principled opposition or sincerely-sought compromises; it was all about fake concern trolling and, whenever those concerns were met, moving the goalposts.  Are progressives clamoring to primary, say, Mark Begich in 2014?  Uh, no.  Sure, he’s more to the right than we might want, but he doesn’t do the bullshit that Lincoln (and Ben Nelson and Holy Joe) are notorious for.  From where I’m sitting, that’s mostly what this is about.  The ideology is just icing on the cake.

 
Nader Was A Prick (4.00 / 3)
I voted for him, too.  But I was in California, so it was never any sort of a serious threat.  And I didn’t think it should have been.  You don’t do that sort of thing at the presidential level.  And when he intentially focused on competitive states like Florida in the waning days of the 2000 election, and then got all indignant afterwards, well, I no longer felt that he represented me all that well, either. Like I said, he was a prick.  And even when he went on to say good things later on, I’d always wish it were someone else saying those goods things.

Now, I’d feel the same way about an organized campaign designed/intended to get rid of enough Blue Dogs to hand the House to the GOP.  If you’re going to organize yourselves well enough to go into 20 districts with that as your goal, I think it’s pretty damn stupid.  That much organizing effort ought to go into something strategically smarter and more far-sighted than that.

But if we’re talking a handful of examples that are primarily intended to send a message, “It could be you next time,” then I think that the political intent and the level of organizing effort are very well matched, and it’s a very sound strategy.  I’d wish we were capable of more, of course.  But given where we stand, I think it’s a very sound thing to do.

“You know what they say — those of us who fail history… doomed to repeat it in summer school.” — Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


 
There is no substitute (4.00 / 2)
for thinking through the consequences of the actions we take on a case by case basis.

Arkansas makes some sense because Lincoln wasn’t going to win anyway, so beating her will have no effect on the composition of the Senate.  Sestak is a better candidate than Specter.

Taking out red district Dems makes sense IF you either are confident that you don’t need the seat (ie your margins in the House and Senate are large enough) OR if your candidate may be as good in the general as your opponent.  

All of this should be done within the party, where you can build an organization for future fights.  Third Party efforts at the national level are a waste of time.  Third Parties get built from local elections up.

There is a reason Bernie Sanders has endorsed every Democratic nominee for the Presidency since 1984.



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I don't think you should regret the Nader vote (0.00 / 0)
First of all, I’ve heard of an actual study tracking Nader’s campaign activities towards the end of the election, that found no evidence that he spent a disproportionate amount of time in competitive states like Florida.

Second of all, I think you feel guilty in large part because the Democratic establishment has beaten that into you and all of us.  They figure the best way to get our vote is not to earn it by doing the right thing and thus defying their corporate donors, but wrest it from us by browbeating us, accusing us of being naive, blaming us for Bush, etc.  It’s the political equivalent of domestic abuse – trashing us and then when we want to leave, saying that no one else will take us and life will be even worse without them.

The Democratic establishment needs to learn that they need us a lot more than we need them.  They love to scare us with Republican bogeymen, but IMO those Republicans pale in comparison to the horrific visage of the duplicitous Democratic establishment and their ugly, cynical political racketeering.  Every time they deign to threaten me for my vote, it makes me want to vote against them just to spite them even more.


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I'm not sure Rule 2 has really gone out of effect. (0.00 / 0)
It may just have been amended from “do not try to nominate more progressive candidates in red states” to “do not try to nominate less electable candidates”, which was the original spirit of it anyways. It turns out that sometimes the more progressive candidate is also the more electable one even in red states, with Halter vs. Lincoln being a primary exhibit.

Maybe more progressive vs. less electable is also a tradeoff worth taking sometimes, but I’m not sure if we actually have any examples of that yet.


 
Coming from Vermont (0.00 / 0)
I do have a little insight on this.

First off, we have a statewide third party, the Progressives, who over the last decade have had what we’d call a mixed history.  In 2002, their candidacies gained a large enough share of the vote to elect a Republican Gov. and Lt.Gov. with 45% and 42% respectively.  This was a turning point that made it clear that running a primary on the left in the general election was ridiculous with a plurality system.

If we changed the way we voted, it would be another matter.  But will we?  With a Republican in charge the last 8 years, there’s been no chance.  He’s retiring this year and maybe we’ll get someone who would consider it — there’s currently a 5-way Dem primary race.  Are the Progs participating?  No.  Their party chair has announced for the race separately instead, letting it be known she would stand aside if someone to her party’s “liking” gets the Dem nomination.  Criteria for that?  Not sure.  A curious and mixed strategy, I would say.

(What’s frustrating is that she didn’t run for Auditor, the only statewide office with a Republican incumbent who is not getting a strong Dem challenge.  She might well have gotten Dem/Prog support and had a shot at their first big success.  Let’s just say the bad blood between Dems and Progs from 2002 still haunts us; they seem incapable of coordinating.)

On the upside, the Progs have won a half-dozen state legislative seats, some taken from Republicans, and worked together with Dems to override a few of the governor’s vetoes (such as the marriage equality bill last year).  What is puzzling is that they haven’t organized better statewide, only running for a handful of legislative seats and only holding one State Senate seat — with someone who actually entered and won the Dem primary, and so won the seat as a Dem/Prog.

What our experience indicates, I’d say, is that primary rule #1 holds true: the races we lose because the vote is split on the left do damage to our governance with a minority-elected Republican, and do damage to our coordination between groups on the left that end up blaming each other for the loss.  I wish the Progressives — until we can change the voting method — would more often enter Dem primaries for statewide races.

Rule #2, though, I agree is not as good.  Sometimes a Democrat is a decent fit for a reddish district.  But if the Progs campaigned in more of those districts using the progressive populism of Bernie Sanders (whose infrastructure created the party 2 decades ago), I’ve no doubt they would be a far stronger force and be building into a party able to win statewide.

As it is they remain a marginal annoyance, if not an actual obstacle to (small-p) progressive advances.  That is not the fate I want for the national progressive movement.

Tim Wolfe


 
Require dues for membership, have a a statement of values/goals (0.00 / 0)
If things should progress to the formation of a Progressive Democrat party, do it the European way: membership dues, m,membership cards, and what they would call a “Manifesto” in the UK, a statement of values and goals, with a list of legislation that will be proposed.

And go back to a grass roots strategy with local Clubs as well as a top-notch web system. I have found it easy to contribute through Act Blue, so that’s a good fund-raising model.

Your site would be a good way to get to work on the Statement/Manifesto, which needs to be brief and specific as well as have a short general political philosophy.


 
I've written before about how the Democratic establishment intimidates the left into voting for them (0.00 / 0)
with scary stories about how bad the Republicans will be.  Yeah, imagine how bad a President Mitt Romney would be!  He might just well pass a national version of Romneycare into law!

For general elections, I endorse the idea of voting for liberal/progressive minor party candidates as often as possible.  Let’s game out the different scenarios based on whether the Democrat is real liberal (e.g. Marcy Winograd, Congressional Progressive Caucus), mainstream liberal (e.g. “New Democrats”, most Democrats), and centrist/corporatist (e.g. Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberman); and whether the election between the Democratic and Republican candidates is close or not close (the definitions for this can be subjective).

Democrat is real liberal, Democrat is ahead by a lot: Whether you vote for the Democrat or a minor party candidate is mostly immaterial.

Democrat is real liberal, Democrat and Republican are close: Vote for the Democrat.

Democrat is mainstream, Democrat is ahead by a lot: I could vote for either the Democrat or the minor party candidate; depends.  Probably the minor party candidate more often than not.

Democrat is mainstream, Democrat and Republican are close: Vote for the Democrat, usually, unless the mainstream Democrat has done something particularly heinous.  For example, while Barack Obama is a mostly mainstream Democrat (we may blast him as a corporatist neoliberal but he’s actually about in the middle or slightly left of middle of the Democratic Party), his betrayals of his campaign promises and the leftist base are so heinous that I will most likely not vote for him in 2012 regardless of how close the election is.

Democrat is centrist/corporatist, Democrat is ahead by a lot: Vote for the minor party candidate, obviously.

Democrat is centrist/corporatist, Democrat and Republican are close: This is the tricky one.  I would say that if the Democrat is a corporate tool who routinely snubs the left, punish them with a vote for the minor party candidate even if it could throw the election to the Republican.  Centrist/corporatist Democrats have got to learn that they can’t take the leftist base for granted.


 




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