Identity economics--a major breakthrough?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sat Jun 05, 2010 at 10:30


George Akerloff has a Nobel Prize in economics. He shared it in 2001 with Joseph Stiglitz and Michael Spence for his work on imperfect information.  His seminal paper on the subject, "The Market for Lemons: Quality Uncertainty and the Market Mechanism" (1970) took the used car market as an example where the lack of reliable product information meant that lemons could be sold for more than they were worth to people who would assume their quality was average (lacking any basis to know better), whereas cherries could not get the price they were worth, so they tended not to be on the market.  As Wikipedia notes, the initial reception of Akerlof's paper was not enthusiastic at first, though that changed over time:

Both the American Economic Review and The Review of Economic Studies rejected the paper for "triviality", while the reviewers for Journal of Political Economy  rejected it as incorrect, arguing that if this paper was correct, then no goods could be traded. Only on the 4th attempt did the paper get published in Quarterly Journal of Economics.[2]  Today, the paper is one of the most-cited papers in modern economic theory (more than 5,800 citations in academic papers as of July 2009).

It's possible that Akerlof could earn a second Nobel Prize for work he'd only just begun when he got his first one, although his co-author, Rachel Kranton, should have pride of place for this one, since she first had to convince Akerloff himself that there was something there that needed attention.  This work involves the integration of a key concept from the social sciences--identity--with one of the key strategies of micro-economics--game theory.  Conventional micro-economics takes the view that people are rational decisionmakers, maximizing utility with respect to their preferred tastes. Over the last two decades behavioral economics has attacked this model by discovering all sorts of behavior that doesn't fit the simplified model of rationality that micro-economists use.  For example, people don't equally value losing or gaining a dollar, even though the model says that they should.  But Kranton and Akerlof have developed models that explains some of this "irrational" behavior--including, I would argue, the fact that sometimes only economists and their students act the way that "economic man" is supposed to.

They've written four technical papers on the subject over the past decade, and in February they published a book Identity Economics: How Our Identities Shape Our Work, Wages, and Well-Being.  Here's what the publisher's blurb has to say:

In 1995, economist Rachel Kranton wrote future Nobel Prize-winner George Akerlof a letter insisting that his most recent paper was wrong. Identity, she argued, was the missing element that would help to explain why people--facing the same economic circumstances--would make different choices. This was the beginning of a fourteen-year collaboration--and of Identity Economics.

Identity economics is a new way to understand people's decisions--at work, at school, and at home. With it, we can better appreciate why incentives like stock options work or don't; why some schools succeed and others don't; why some cities and towns don't invest in their futures--and much, much more.

Identity Economics bridges a critical gap in the social sciences. It brings identity and norms to economics. People's notions of what is proper, and what is forbidden, and for whom, are fundamental to how hard they work, and how they learn, spend, and save. Thus people's identity--their conception of who they are, and of who they choose to be--may be the most important factor affecting their economic lives. And the limits placed by society on people's identity can also be crucial determinants of their economic well-being.

Paul Rosenberg :: Identity economics--a major breakthrough?
At first, Akerlof thought that Kranton was mistaken, that what she was talking about was already taken care of by the economic concept of individual preferences or "tastes".  But the idea of discrimination simply being a "taste", like a preference for apples over oranges or Coke over Pepsi, had always seemed ludicrously thin to me, and  Kranton eventually convinced Akerlof that something deeper was going on. Here's how they introduced their idea in a recent brief piece their original 2000 paper, Economics and Identity(emphasis added):

This paper introduces identity--a person's sense of self--into economic analysis. Identity can account for many phenomena that current economics cannot well explain. It can comfortably resolve, for example, why some women oppose "women's rights," as seen in microcosm when Betty Friedan was ostracized by fellow suburban housewives for writing The Feminine Mystique. Other problems such as ethnic and racial conflict, discrimination, intractable labor disputes, and separatist politics all invite an identity-based analysis. Because of its explanatory power, numerous scholars in psychology, sociology, political science, anthropology, and history have adopted identity as a central concept. This paper shows how identity can be brought into economic analysis, allowing a new view of many economic problems.

We incorporate identity into a general model of behavior and then demonstrate how identity influences economic outcomes. Specifically, we consider gender discrimination in the labor market, the household division of labor, and the economics of social exclusion and poverty. In each case, our analysis yields predictions, supported by existing evidence, that are different from those of existing economic models. The Conclusion indicates many other realms where identity almost surely matters.

Our identity model of behavior begins with social difference. Gender, a universally familiar aspect of identity, illustrates. There are two abstract social categories, "man'' and "woman.'' These categories are associated with different ideal physical attributes and prescribed behaviors. Everyone in the population is assigned a gender category, as either a "man'' or a "woman.'' Following the behavioral prescriptions for one's gender affirms one's self image, or identity, as a "man'' or as a "woman.''2 Violating the prescriptions evokes anxiety and discomfort in oneself and in others. Gender identity, then, changes the "payoffs" from different actions.

This modeling of identity is informed by a vast body of research on the salience of social categories for human behavior and interaction. We present in the next section a series of examples of identity-related behavior. These examples, and other evidence, indicate that (1) people have identity-based payoffs derived from their own actions; (2) people have identity-based payoffs derived from others' actions; (3) third parties can generate persistent changes in these payoffs; and (4) some people may choose their identity, but choice may be proscribed for others. The concept of identity expands economic analysis for at least four corresponding reasons.

First, identity can explain behavior that appears detrimental. People behave in ways that would be considered maladaptive or even self-destructive by those with other identities. The reason for this behavior may be to bolster a sense of self or to salve a diminished self-image.

Second, identity underlies a new type of externality. One person's actions can have meaning for and evoke responses in others. Gender again affords an example. A dress is a symbol of femininity. If a man wears a dress, this may threaten the identity of other men. There is an externality, and further externalities result if these men make some response.

Third, identity reveals a new way that preferences can be changed. Notions of identity evolve within a society and some in the society have incentives to manipulate them. Obvious examples occur in advertising (e.g., Marlboro ads). As we shall explore, there are many other cases, including public policies, where changing social categories and associated prescriptions affects economic outcomes.

Fourth, because identity is fundamental to behavior, choice of identity may be the most important "economic'' decision people make. Individuals may--more or less consciously--choose who they want to be. Limits on this choice may also be the most important determinant of an individual's economic well-being. Previous economic analyses of, for example, poverty, labor supply, and schooling have not considered these possibilities.

They begin their analysis using standard economic motivations for behavior--individuals engaged in activities that suit their tastes and thus provide some utility. As a simplified model, there are just two such activities, and everyone has a taste for one or the other.  If they engage in the activity that suits their taste, they earn some utility--which can vary for any number of reasons.  But if they engage in the other activity, they earn no utility.  In the standard economic model of utility maximization, each individual would engage in the activity matched to to their taste.  I now quote directly from the paper, with apologies for the slight intrusion of technical notation:

We next construct identity-based preferences. We suppose that there are two social categories, Green and Red. We assume the simplest division of the population into categories; all persons think of themselves and others as Green. We add simple behavioral prescriptions: a Green should engage in Activity One (in contrast to Reds who engage in Activity Two). Anyone who chooses Activity Two is not a ''true'' Green--she would lose her Green identity. This loss in identity entails a reduction in utility of Is , where the subscript s stands for ''self.''

This is what happens when someone's personal preferences don't match what they are supposed to prefer, based on their identity.   They get no utility (and hence no pleasue) from doing what they are expected to do.  But they suffer a loss of utility in their sense of self as a "true" Green, if they do what they want to do--regardless of whether its "worth it" in the end or not (which Akerlof and Kranton can then describe with an equation).   Traditionally, psychologists and sociologists have had a lot to say about this sort of conflicted situation, but economists, not so much.  This model shows how economists can begin to account for such conflicts. But that's only the beginning:

In addition, there are identity externalities. If an i and j are paired, Activity Two on the part of i diminishes j's Green identity. j has a loss in utility Io, where the subscript o denotes ''other.'' After i has committed Activity Two, j may ''respond.'' The response restores j's identity at a cost c, while entailing a loss to i in amount L.

I don't want to get too bogged down in the details here.  The important point here is that the authors show how traditional concerns that economists have ignored can be introduced into a economic framework, based not on whim, but on a wide body of scholarly literature from other social sciences.   The results will produce significantly more realistic models, which can then be compared to actual behavior, to see how well those models work.  At least initially, the results seem quite promising.

This model is then expanded to cases where they look at Green and Red identities in a given population, with different identity-based payoffs for different behavior.

One illuminating example they explore is why some members of racial minorities behave in seemingly self-destructive ways. This explanation is particularly powerful because it shows how persistent forms of "colorblind racism" and institutional racism create a cost for minorities trying to live according (white) mainstream ideals--something that even very successful blacks experience, for example--and how this in turn creates the condition in which such evidently self-destructive behavior takes place (a result that follows directly from the simplified economic model the authors introduce.  Regarding the reality of costs for minorities trying to live up to white ideals, the authors quote from Jill Nelson's book, Volunteer Slavey:

As Jill Nelson {1993, p. 10} explains her exhaustion after a long day of interviewing for
a job at The Washington Post:
    I've also been doing the standard Negro balancing act when it comes to dealing with white folks, which involves sufficiently blurring the edges of my being so that they don't feel intimidated, while simultaneously holding on to my integrity. There is a thin line between Uncle-Tomming andMau-Mauing. To fall off that line can mean disaster. On one side lies employment and self-hatred; on the other, the equally dubious honor of unemployment with integrity.

Nelson is an example of "successful" black professional, but under present conditions, she will never fully belong, never fully experience the psychic benefits of achievements, no matter how how well she fulfills the role of an ideal type.  The reasons may often be subtle--which may only make her experience more frustrating.  Under such conditions, there will be some for whom the self-hatred would be far greater, and the satisfactions of integrity much higher--even if it means being poor.  (Such is the common-sense translation of what the authors' model shows. ) Being in opposition to the dominant culture makes sense to them, not just in terms of a single economic choice, but in terms of adopting an entire identity, a way of being in the world share with others and creating a shared oppositional "ideal type" in contrast to the mainstream culture's "ideal type" that they have no hope of ever living up to.  Behavior that makes no sense in terms of the rejected, unattainable ideal type is perfectly sensible in term of the oppositional ideal type, which allows them to gain utility (satisfaction) from activities that they can do well at.  People who subscribe to either ideal type will sometimes engage in atypical behavior--but as explained above, there is a cost to identity in doing so.  The authors go on to show how different conditions will lead to different sorts of population mixes--all of it quite rational in terms of two contrasting identity modes.

This model does not deny the agency of individual actors.  Nor is it an excuse for "bad behavior"--with or without the quotes.  But it is a clear refutation of the idea that such behavior is simply irrational, due to something wrong in the individuals concerned.  While it may be possible to change individual behavior, one person at a time, this model strongly indicates that such an approach cannot change the behavior of the entire population, because it's always rational for some to choose an oppositional identity.  In order to change that reality, one must change the larger social reality that imposes the conditions that are reflected in the parameters of the model.  Of course, there is also the possibility represented by the appeal of groups such as the Nation of Islam, which construct a different kind of oppositional identity.  (The same can also be said of black liberation theology--such as practiced by Reverend Jeremiah Wright--which is obviously much more threatening to the white power structure, precisely because its an oppositional identity that allows space for whites to also assume an oppositional identity as well, just as the Civil Rights Movement did.)  It's highly significant that such widely observed and studied behavior can be explained by a relatively simple economic model of individual choice, provided that just two different identities are included.

Why is all of this important?  Beyond the reasons already hinted at, there are a number of different reasons.  First of all, it pushes back against the reductionist tendencies of micro-economics to drain the richness of human experience and posit a world of inherent and (largely) immutable constraints--which are fundamental presumptions of a conservative worldview. Akerlof's earlier work on imperfect information revealed that market failure is a pervasive, rather than an exceptional occurrence.  And yet the conservative "free-market" narrative, which presumes the exact opposite, has grown vastly more potent over the period of time that his ideas have gained recognition and acceptance within the discipline of economics.

Akerlof's work with Kranton on identity could help to turn back that perverse narrative tide, in part because it provides a richer connection to other pre-existing interpretive traditions, from psychology, sociology, anthropology, etc., and in part because it can conceivably be popularized, to help inform a political counter-narrative to give a larger, more coherent shape to alternative descriptions of how and why market fundamentalism has failed.  It's just a small beginning, but I'm going to have several other diaries this weekend that will suggest some examples of how this might begin to play out.

I want to conclude with two notes.  First, in their first paper, Akerlof and Kranton say:

Politics is often a battle over identity. Rather than take preferences as given, political leaders and activists often strive to change a population's preferences through a change in identity or prescriptions. Again, examples abound. Fascist and populist leaders are infamous for their rhetoric fostering racial and ethnic divisions, with tragic consequences. Symbolic acts and transformed identities spur revolutions. The ringing of the Liberty Bell called on the colonists' identities as Americans. Gandhi's Salt March sparked an Indian national identity. The French Revolution changed subjects into citizens, and the Russian Revolution turned them into comrades.

This grand, sweeping view of politics is diametrically opposed to the view of politics conveyed by conventional micro-economics, which says that nothing matters more than isolated individual choices.  It's highly ironic at least, if not profoundly self-contradictory that a grand political movement should be built around this minimalist vision.  What better way to fight it than with a consistent politics that affirms, explores and elucidates the role of identify, rather than hiding and denying it?  And that unites the role of identity with basic processes common to all?

Furthermore, this sweeping view of politics is also diametrically opposed to the view of politics conveyed by Third Way technocrats like Obama.  However much they may claim to differ from market fundamentalist conservatives--and however much they may sincerely intend to do so--they nonetheless  share in common with market fundamentalists an oversimplified micro-economic model of how the world works (even when they tweak it a bit).  And this puts them intellectually much closer to the conservative worldview than to the much richer real world of multifacted identities, and the doorway to that world that Identity Economics represents.

One last note: a somewhat long but interesting review of Identity Economics can be found here.  I'd originally thought I'd quote from it quite a bit in writing this piece.  But if I had, I might not have written anything of my own.


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Economics is gropingly approaching reality (4.00 / 5)
Economics gives us such a monstrously distorted picture of the world that the least bit of common sense looks brilliant. But of you can't express your ideas in economic terms, no one will listen. For me living under the rule of economics (the Federal Reserve head is at least as powerful as the President) is as painful and grotesque as living under the rule of religious fanatics would be. You can't talk to them, they won't talk to you, they make the rules and the decisions, almost all of them are filthy rich or at least upper-upper-middle class, and they're all so terribly pleased with themselves.

The Ones Who Aren't Rich May Be Even Worse (4.00 / 1)
The true believers who run not just on faith alone, but on faith in direct defiance of brute fact.

They always remind me of all those dirt poor Southern whites who died or were horribly wounded fighting to preserve the "right" of wealthy white men to own black slaves and keep them from ever having a chance to have a chance at a halfway decent life.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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They are getting there (4.00 / 3)
But they still have a ways to go, it seems.  Just once I'd like to hear about someone winning a Nobel in Economics that doesn't make me say "well, duh".

In physics, we often teach about frictionless planes, projectiles without air resistance and so on.  But nobody actually believes real surfaces have no friction or real projectiles aren't influenced by the air.  No engineer would ever go with such assumptions.

Yet, economists stick to their frictionless models and actually believe them to be an accurate representation of the real world.  

Only an economist would think the value difference between one meal a day and two is the same as zero meals a day and one.  1-0 = 2-1, QED.  The fact the guy with no food starves to death doesn't seem to bother them much.  Perhaps I exaggerate the problem, but not as much as one would think.


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They ARE Superb Mental Gymnasts, Though (4.00 / 1)
You've got to give them that.

The way they argue about decreasing marginal utilities till they're blue in the face, but then stop on a dime when you say, "Well, then, it makes perfect sense to take away money from multi-millionaires and give it to folks who are starving.  Obviously, the total utility goes up."

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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I'm wondering too about the coopting of the more radical potentials of (4.00 / 1)
identity, and how dominant forces mute the political possibilities therein. I'm thinking along the lines of Rand Paul (and a bizillion other conservatives') invocation of Martin Luther King's identity-based activism as a buffer against charges of racism against themselves. Or to return to the Marlboro Man example, it's counterpoint in the Virginia Slims woman. You've come along way, baby, so the way to preserve your briefly destabilizing identity is to smoke cigarettes that, bingo, make you more attractive to men.

So do conservatives, at least in political terms, in  fact understand identity quite a bit better than Obama- and that's why their so freaking good at nullifying its potency?


Yes, Conservatives Understand Identity Better (4.00 / 2)
Identity is constructed--largely out of narratives.  Conservatives understand that very, very well.

Facts, not so much.  

But facts don't matter for identity.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Yeah; I'd call this a breakthrough. (4.00 / 2)
Aside from its instant curbside appeal, there's a lot to mull over in this approach.  And, I'm still reading the Whimsley review.  Within that review Akerlof is is noted to anticipate resistance within the discipline:

Akerlof said "I know that all of the economists in the audience have three thoughts. The first is that all of this gives up the parsimony of standard economics. The second question is whether identity is, or is not, observable. The third question concerns the endogeneity of identity."

Whimsley asks,

The third question is to ask why identity must be exogenous (imported into the model from outside as a pre-defined force that constrain individual actions), rather than endogenous (emerging from the choices of the individuals).

The technical aspect of parsimony fail (multiple equilibria) is an unhappy result and would probably lead to even more reductionist efforts on the part of investigators.  I think carefully selected proxies can address the second.  And, while identity need not be exogenous, and probably isn't, it creates a HUGE problem for those using the standard techniques of econometric analysis.  As an "off the cuff" observation, this endogeneity problem will be one source of major resistance.  All of Akerlof's attributed thoughts are problematic - and, he is correct to anticipate them - but, the last generates real heartburn.

When faced with these kinds of scenarios in economics, I remind myself that the discipline did make contributions before computers made confronting the theory with the data so much easier.


I'm Curious About The Potential (4.00 / 1)
for this sort of approach being adopted by post-Keynesians  They certainly aren't bothered by multiple equilibria and all that sort of stuff.  To the contrary, this would provide them with a much more unified structure for dealing with micro-economic issues than they've developed so far.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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When you get back from your meeting (4.00 / 2)
I'm going to have to ask you what/who you mean by "post-Keynesians."  We need a that we can both point to, because my initial response is to ask whether you mean Post-Keynsians or those more interested in Institutional Economics?  And, if I wanted to be perverse I'd toss in a reference to Complexity Economics.  

I don't really want to be perverse, but there are some real schisms in the discipline between - on a theoretical/model building level - what's permissible, and not.  And, those schisms show up again in the applied/model testing level.

Which is a really roundabout way of saying, in terms of modern economics, which came first?  The theory?  Or, the means to test it?  And, when the means to test it gets preeminence, all manner of mischief is loosed on the world.

Put simply, I do not believe that most of the economic events I am analyzing can be explained by a simple, formal model without the addition of enormous institutional detail that simple, formal models cannot accommodate. Krugman argues the MIT line that we should "simplify, simplify." I follow Einstein-"Models should be as simple as possible, but not more so." My vision of the economy is one of complexity, and any explanation that fits my Yeah criterion must incorporate that complexity, or at least tell me why the complexity isn't going to affect the analysis. When I try to conceive of a general mathematical statement of the economic problem, I come up with an extraordinarily complicated set of interrelated dynamic equations that lead to chaotic, super-non-linear dynamic models. - David Colander; Confessions of an Economic Gadfly (pdf)


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Sorry, I Missed This Earlier (4.00 / 3)
I meant the Post-Keynesians, who, to the best of my knowledge, have the best "good enough" grasp of macro-theory, but are generally reliant on institutional approaches to micro theory.  It's my intuition that identity economics could provide a range of missing theoretical substructure to bring these pieces much closer together.

From a math POV, I'm sympathetic to the complexity approach (it's the objection I raised back in the 70s when I was a math TA teaching calculus and pre-calc to econ majors--"this is the wrong sort of math for what you're studying, the systems you're dealing with are non-linear").  But from a political economy approach, Keynes had already derived a view of the economy based on radical uncertainty WITHOUT all that fancy math.  So I'm not all that convinced how much practical value complexity economics has, compared to its theoretical attraction.

I don't at all pretend to be expert on any of this, and it's been a long time since I was fluent enough in the math side to go from intuitions to proofs.  But I do know, from when I did work through some exemplars from the field, that what's generally most important is practical usefulness, more along the lines of chemistry's rules of thumb than physic's grand unified theories.  And what I'm groping toward trying to say here is that I think PK macro economics+ identity micro-economics mediated by empirical institutionalism seems like a very promising framework for organizing the needed rules of thumb.  


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Okay. Then, yes. (0.00 / 0)
Identity Economics does offer a missing substructure.  

The Post-Keynesians of Joan Robinson's stripe (iirc) had/have a more institutional bent and could absorb Akerlof and Kranton's insight.  The "post-Keynsians" of the New Keynesian stripe are going to struggle because they've accepted the Neoclassical synthesis as the best resolution to bring microeconomic precepts and analytic strategies into macroeconomics.  Again, iirc, Joan Robinson rejected that synthesis.  The "olde tyme" institutionalists hark back more to the German historicists, where - again - the New Institutionalists anchor in the neoclassical tradition.  Akerlof and Kranton offer a full frontal assault to the neoclassical tradition.  Those three questions are central to that tradition and its reductionist tendencies.  This is all pretty esoteric, and maybe beyond the point you wanted to make... What I'm trying to suggest is the elements in economics who would be most likely to utilize Akerlof and Kranton's insights are the heterodox arm of the discipline.  Anyone of any "consequence" in economics has their butt firmly planted in mainstream orthodoxy; ie the neoclassical tradition.

For those who seek the rigor and discipline that "the maths" impose, complexity and uncertainty are the way forward.  My own calculus teacher (Math Department) made the same points you did.  It's the wrong math.  He'd have had us all mud wrestling with typology.  And, he made a pretty good case for letting math software, like Maple, solve some of those idiot objective functions the Economics Department insisted we solve by hand.  Needless to say, when we hit our first graduate microeconomcs exam we all bombed being unable to solve for the Lagrange multipliers.  Exams and the power of the grade have a lot of strength in socializing students to discipline.

And, that's kind of Colander's point.  You have to accept that socialization to succeed, and then try to do your own thing when you get done ...  and, good luck with that even then.  I am hopeful that Akerlof and Kranton's thesis is sufficiently compelling that those mainstream folk will try to encorporate those insights.  I fear it will be an uphill battle, but maybe the discipline is sufficiently humbled at this point to be more open to challenges to its orthodoxy.  Economics uses the concept of path dependence all the time, but is no less immune.  


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I Don't Regard The "New Keynesians" As True Post-Keynesians (0.00 / 0)
And I guess I'm showing a bit of my own inadvertent parochialism by failing to make that clear up front.

I'm hopeful that Identity Economics can make an impression on those who use conventional micro-economics, simply because it'sexpressed in a way that's compatible with their training, even if it does challenge some assumptions--or, probably more accurately meta-assumptions, which is why it might have more of a chance.

At least from outside, it seems that most economists don't so much assume that other factors don't exist, just that they can safely be ignored.  So if their existence is not denied, and you show how they can be handled, then it's a matter of empirical investigation whether or not they can be ignored.

So, there's at least a possibility there.  

But I think that PKT might protiably integrate Akerlof/Kranton much more readily.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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A really, really great post (4.00 / 3)
Can't say enough how important this is.

Modern economics had largely come to reject macro-economics in favor of neo-classical based microeconomics before the financial crisis.  Microecomomics is internally consistent, and its limitations can only be understand by questioning the basic assumption it makes about human behavior.

Which is why understanding its limitations are so critical.

Franklin said of Adams "What he knows he knows well.  Unfortunately what he does now know he does not suspect exists".

The entire range of human behavior: love, hate, anxiety, compassion,  do not exist in microeconomics.   In fairness, economists know this, but argue that their assumption allows them to make useful observations about human behavior.

Empirically, however, the limitations of this assumption are becoming more and more obvious, with enormous implications for public policy.  



Eons Ago (4.00 / 1)
I came across a book titled something like "The New World of Economics", and it was sort of a popularization of micro-economics as a way to understand the world.

I read that part about relationships, and shook my head, "Whoever wrote this hasn't a clue about love, and probably not much more about sex, either."

That was all I read.

"Thin" does not begin to describe their grasp of what human experience is all about.

But without a better theory, how could you show this to them in terms they could understand?

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Out For A Few Hours (0.00 / 0)
Unfortunately, I have to go cover a meeting for Random Lengths, so I won't be able to comment for a few hours.  But I promise to respond to whatever points people raise in my absence.

Also, a diary by John Emerson will be appearing shortly.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


Me brain hurts, so this must be good for me (4.00 / 2)
I wonder if Sartre's concepts of authenticity and bad faith don't figure in this somewhere too, at least as long as we're talking exo- and endo-genous. Couldn't it be said that the essence both of moral dilemmas (of certain kinds) and socialization itself come down to how much is exo and how much is endo, and that each individual has to cobble the two together on his own?

Come to think of it, when you put Sartre and Akerlof together, don't you also raise the ghost of Kegan and his levels? Seems like to me that a level five actor does his own cobbling here, a level three not so much. Doesn't that have implications for both economics and politics. I mean, where did Martin Luther King come from anyway? he seemed to come out of nowhere if you don't know African American history, but why did he invent himself out of that raw material, when someone else didn't.

Much to ponder here.


It's A Whole New Wold (4.00 / 1)
at least potentially.  I could certainly envision folks building identity models based on Sartre, Fanon, Baldwin, Du Bois, etc.  I can just see the PhD dissertations pilling up.

Better still, I can see that this could be part of a truly profound transformation in self-understanding with revolutionary implications for redistribution, redefinition and rearticulation of social, political and economic power.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Martin Luther King and identity (4.00 / 1)
King studied for a doctorate at BU, and became imbued with the views in St. Thomas Aquinas, among others, on social and distributive justice, the purpose of government, and ethical need to constrain but not punish wrong doers so that they might repent. These elaborate philosophic views were generally not part of the bible-centered Afro-American baptist church. But MLK was deeply part  of the Afro-American church and could integrate the theories and terms of social justice with the biblical references so familiar to black Americans. MLK, as a result of this intellectual integration resonated powerfully with Catholics, Lutherans Anglican/Episcopalians, Jews and others for whom distributive justice theories (apart from the Bible) were part of theological training.

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Link to Original Paper (4.00 / 2)
The quote that begins with

This paper introduces identity--a person's sense of self--into economic analysis.

is from Akerlof and Kranton's original paper, not the page that you linked to.  For those who'd like to read the paper, here is a link:

http://dukespace.lib.duke.edu:...


Thanks For Catching That (0.00 / 0)
This diary underwent more drastic revisions in a shorter period of time than almost anything I can remember writing in quite some time.  The bit about the Whimsley review in the last paragraph is just a hint at what I went through with it.

No excuse, just a peak behind the curtain is all.

Again, thanks.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Very interesting. Thanks, Paul. (4.00 / 3)
This is obviously a major improvement on traditional economics. (Maybe it will get it right in the end; maybe it's just that economics as we know it is as primitive as pre-Newtonian physics...)

One potential danger with ways this might be interpreted, though, might be the tendency to reify the notion of identity: to characterize individuals as "white" or "black" or "man" or "woman" etc., when in fact all of us are some swirling, ever-changing amalgam of various socially constituted identities: black, male, gay, daughter, brother, teacher, student, neighbor, stranger, worker, boss, consumer, etc., etc. At its limit, you could sort of imagining this analysis of identity to lead to a picture of the individual as so intricately bound up with such identities that they again achieve a sort of conceptual atomic individuality (their own personal set of and relation to abstract identities), but in a way that, in contrast to the naive picture of the individual, is now informed by the understanding of the social constitution of that atomic individuality. (Kind of a Hegelian synthesis of the economic concept of the individual.) If that's the direction Akerlof is pointing us, it would certainly be a big improvement on the model of the autonomous rational agent.


The Way This Develops Is Certainly Going To Be Crucial (4.00 / 1)
Hopefully, what we're going to see will be something of an ensemble approach, where there won't just be one way of doing this.  (What else are computers for, if not letting us run a 100 different simulations based on permutations of 20 different variables defined 20 different ways, just to get things warmed up?)

Consider, for example, taking a folk taxonomy based on how blacks themselves perceive the internal dynamics of their community, based on physical characteristics, internal community relationships, relationships with the outside power structure, education, social capital, etc.  There are ever more social science scholars who can navigate such territory, but now give them the tools of this approach melding all this knowledge with relatively simple micro-economic model-building tools, and see what kinds of insights & arguments they are able to develop, that standard economists would never even dream of.

In short, perhaps the biggest upside potential I see here is the shifting of power away from the economics profession as a kind of neo-imperial discourse, and towards a combination of post-colonial scholars & activists.  

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Very interesting new ideas. (4.00 / 1)
I don't think identity-economics particularly helps explain "third way" or DLC politicians, though. I feel primarily that Conservative Democrats are motivated to gain political power by and for Corporate interests.

I mean, is there much to say about the ideology of blue dogs aside from their politics of being anti-labor and "republican-lite"?

Maybe I'm slow, but I'm having a hard time figuring out just what identity politics fit with the DLC or Conservative Democratic politicians. That's not so hard to do for other common political groups like Christian rightists, 60's-Gen progressives, Small-town chamber of commerce types.


I'll Be Writing More About Identity Economics (4.00 / 1)
and hopefully it will become clearer.  For starters, check out my diary "'Nudge' vs. 'grudge': A revealing failure mode for Sunstein's micro-managing".  And I'll have another related diary tomorrow as well.

I've just stumbled across this in the last week, so I don't have it all pre-digested and worked out into talking points yet.  I think it's interesting and worthwhile to work through new ideas together, and if you do choose to participate, I think it will become clearer.

Your questions can help make it so.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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From lunch bucket to jobs (0.00 / 0)
Conservative Dems are not hard to explain. Most are primarily concerned with power or celebrity (big egos), as you say. BUT their primary ethical concern (they do have ethics too) is about jobs. They are the descendants of the pragmatic lunch bucket Dems (suspicious of ideology, philosopy, rand schemes, perfect solutions, "comprehensive" improvements.

They view corporations primarily as ... 1. Employers, with jobs for their constituents ... 2.  Potential good corporate citizens, supporting non-profits in their districts ... 3. Donors. ... This view means that corporations must be respected, cultivated, listened to, pleased, not to be antagonized. These Dems come from a political culture where "making friends" is the way to success, and corporations are happy to be friendly. Community organizers, like Obama, also come from this mold. Their view is that the corporations are not going to go away or give up when they want something, and the best the community can do is give in while getting some meaningful concessions.

What these Dems do not see - but Obama just might - is ...

1. That the corps can now pack up and leave. Not just jobs, but capital. They are not rooted citizens; they are global citizens. To them the US is mostly a market, not a place to be loyal to, and US citizens are no more valuable to them than citizens of other countries who have the talent, or make the concessions, they want. Neo-Liberals retain some liberal concerns but they essentially act as moderate republicans (since there are none left in the Republican party).

2. That the Democratic party, since the dissolution of the party clubs, is out of touch with the urban poor and working class, and must depend on media and staged media events to "get through." When I was kid the local Dem club could get your call returned directly by a Rep or Senator (passing the call off to a staffer or Club official). Sometimes the President would call around to ask people to talk up support in the neighborhood for a move he was making. Dem and republican clubs could refer you to jobs.

3. They are aware that many one-party Dem states are full of political hacks who are knee-jerk liberals in rhetoric but always out for the buck and the relatives. national conservative Dems are embarrassed by this fact. Obama accepted this reality but thought he could springboard out to accomplish some moderately progressive goals on the national scene.

In all cases the view holds that corporations cannot be boxed in, or meaningfully harmed, and so they must be negotiated with. The corps get whet they want. The "folks" get something too, especially jobs or at least the elimination of fewer jobs. Or some concrete job improvements. Or some visible support for local non-profits.

It's not easy to replace the pragmatic politics of relationships with ideologies or progressive principles. ideology is bred in universities but relationships matter more in neighborhoods and political districts.


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Conservative Dems Care More About Jobs? PUH-LEEZE! (0.00 / 0)
This may be their cover story, but the flaws in this logic (that corporations can now just up and leave, for example) are not newly emergent, they've been there from the very beginning.

The US had its origins as part of an international market system--primarily slaves, tea, spices, sugar, rum, opium, etc.  There's nothing terribly new about lack of local loyalty.  One is not loyal to one's possessions.  One is possessive of them.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Thank you - maybe an identity trend? (0.00 / 0)
Thanks for this. Will help me tremendously in thinking about ... many things.

Identity trend spotting? In my minority-majority neighborhood I see a bit of the low pants. But most of the parents frown and forbid this. I also see - and this may be significant - that the minority kids (not affluent) are favoring Hollister wear. I can see why; they pick colors that play beautifully off their skin tones. Another trend is Hispanic oriental, flamboyant colors and graphics. Another is khakis and polos (especially among the Haitian kids). Another is black and white hoodies with subtle black/white graphics. Footwear varies, in line with the style chosen. Is there an identity thing going on here?


This Is Really Complicated (0.00 / 0)
How kids dress often says a lot more about their peer group in high school than anything else, and probably 2/3rds of them are "oppositional" in one way or other, just because that's the nature of adolescence in humans.  But that's not really the same sort of oppositional identity that's being discussed in the example I'm talking about (which is more grounded in adult identities).  It's more about the multiplicity of identities that will be a greater challenge to deal with as the modeling will necessarily become messier.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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