A friendly 4th of July reminder about why conservatives hate America

by: Paul Rosenberg

Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 14:00


It's not that I didn't know it, or even that I had forgotten, but rather obviously this is something that we as country seem not to realize, from Brad DeLong, in a piece about Obama's infamous deficit commission:

Four centuries ago, the consensus, in Western Europe at least, was that good and even adequate government in this fallen world was inevitably a rarity. Democracy always degenerated into mob rule, monarchy into tyranny, and aristocracy into oligarchy. Even when well run, democracy took little interest in the distant future, aristocracy took little interest in the well-being of those whom Simpson calls the "little people," and monarchy took little interest in anything other than legitimate succession.

Then, at the end of the eighteenth century, the founders of the United States of America and their intellectual successors claimed that this pessimism about government was unwarranted. "The science of politics...like most other sciences," claimed Alexander Hamilton, "has received great improvement....The regular distribution of power into distinct departments...legislative balances and checks...judges holding their offices during good behavior; the representation of the people in the legislature by deputies of their own election...are means, and powerful means, by which the excellences of republican government may be retained and its imperfections lessened or avoided..."

Perhaps Hamilton was too much the optimist. When I look at Barack Obama's deficit commission - indeed, look at governance worldwide - I see many imperfections, but few or no examples of excellence.

One of the great accomplishments of America is that it showed the possibility of good government at more than local scale, which in turn helped to show that some misfortunes taken to be beyond human reach are in fact avoidable. This, in turn, was directly a product of the development of modern liberalism, which provided both a philosophical foundation and an institutional architecture for the blending of classical and Renaissance republicanism with a new conceptual framework of individual rights, checks and balances and democratic self-governance.    Once the possibility of good governance was proven possible, the doors were open to explore different ways of achieving it.

As DeLong properly notes, we're faced with rather grim prospects just now, but given the history of the past 200+ years, the grim prospects now facing us no longer appear as inevitable necessities of nature.  If we are headed toward a massive return of evil governance--a distinct possibility, let's not kid ourselves--this is still just an historical/political development pressed forward by specific political/economic forces, and not a metaphysical necessity.  The difference between the two is the difference between possibility and impossibility, between rational hope and irrational despair.

Paul Rosenberg :: A friendly 4th of July reminder about why conservatives hate America
It is no small thing that political liberalism, for all its imperfections, has created the first framework for potentially viable good government on a more-than-local basis.  Indeed, that accomplishment alone is sufficient foundation for all political optimism. And, indeed, the divide between optimism and pessimism is one of the fundamental divides that there is between left and right, not just in modern times, but in antiquity as well.

In ancient Greece, as Eric Alfred Havelock described in The Liberal Temper in Greek Politics, the traditional conservative mythology was reflected in Hesiod's Works and Days which described history in terms of five successive ages, each more debased than the one before.  But this ideology was reversed by the pre-Socratic natural philosophers who argued from observation of both the human and the natural world that progress, not regress, was the most general state of affairs, and from this empirical foundation, both a general theory of evolution and the foundations of a liberal, democratic political philosophy were born. Of course, we only have fragmentary knowledge of this, but Havelock makes a powerfully compelling argument, not least because some of the arguments offered by Plato and Aristotle make little sense if they were not directed against such a liberal philosophy (for example, their arguments favoring slavery and denigrating democracy).

Indeed, Aristotle argued that some people were "natural slaves," and the belief that some groups are inherently superior to others remains stubbornly attached to political conservatism up to this very day.  Even now they argue--with no empirical evidence, and indeed against a growing body of contrary evidence--that gays and lesbians are unfit for marriage.  This is hardly surprising, since the belief in superior and inferior groups shows up in two different psychological constructs that are statistically associated with conservatism--social dominance orientation and rightwing authoritarianism.

Given the sorts of things that conservatives believe, it's not surprising that they don't think people are capable of self-governance.  And thus it's not surprising that conservatives opposed the American Revolution, and supported the British monarchy instead.  Nor is it surprising that conservative rulers across Europe fought against the spread of democratic ideas throughout the 19th Century, while those on the left, particularly socialists and social democrats pushed for the expansion of democracy.  (Liberals were often split, as many feared that expanded democracy would imperil some liberal rights.)  Nor is it surprising that conservatives sympathized with and supported fascist regimes in Italy, Germany and Spain beginning in the 1930s, and lasting until Franco's death in the 1970s, or that they supported  military dictatorships all across the world, up to and including Saddam Hussein during the Reagan Administration, and virtually up to the moment that he invaded Kuwait, in part because of mixed messages sent by Bush I's ambassador at the time.

This same disdainful attitude toward self-government was clearly visible in the Bush v. Gore decision that stole the 2000 election.  It's visible in a whole string of conservative activist judicial decisions, in which conservative judges and justices substitute their opinions for the fact-finding and political judgment of elected political officials.  It's seen in the ongoing talk of secession and "Second Amendment solutions" we've heard since conservatives lost the 2008 elections, just as its seen in their baseless conspiratorial belief that ACORN somehow "stole" the election right under the nose of the Bush Administration.

Conservatives hate America because they can't control it.  Because they can't run everything, and because it gives freedom and opportunity to people beyond their control.  But they also hate America because it protects those that conservatives would otherwise prey upon.  It protects those who once were slaves.  It protects those who were spat upon as immigrants.  It protects vulnerable women and children.  It protects the handicapped.  It institutionalizes the teaches of Jesus in Matthew 25, that whatsoever we do to the least of these, we do also unto Him.

And, finally, conservatives hate America because it doesn't stand still, and resists going backwards. They hate America because of its ongoing becoming what it was meant to be.  As Langston Hughes so eloquently wrote:

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states--
And make America again!


Conservatives just hate that vision.  They just hate America. All that stuff about "liberty and justice for all."  It makes them want to pick a gun and shoot someone.  It makes them want to commit mass treason, just like they did in 1861.

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link to the DeLong piece? (0.00 / 0)
can't find it on his front page...

Oooops! Sorry! (0.00 / 0)
fixed.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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I'm not sure where I fit (0.00 / 0)
I believe that people will make mistakes if given the opportunity to self-govern themselves, but I also believe that the people should be given that opportunity and that true democracy means we should be forced to live with at least some of those mistakes instead of relying on the courts to fix bad laws.  I truly believe that the left can't build a populist progressive coalition without taking the risk of putting some "liberal rights" in peril, as you note some liberals feared.

We can't control everything.  We can't guarantee that a fair process leads to just outcomes. I don't believe in a idealistic technocracy where the goal is making everything as efficient as possible.

The basis of conservatism is an instinctual belief that there is a natural order of things.  To counter that, I think we should abandon a belief that there is natural evolution towards some end in history and instead inject a little chaos into the political process and embrace the idea of an uncertain future.

Things You Don't Talk About in Polite Company: Religion, Politics, the Occasional Intersection of Both


Liberals To The Rescue Again (4.00 / 2)
I was watching the documentary below and it struck me how the struggle to get the Bible translated into English (so people could read it themselves) was another example of the good work liberals have done throughout the ages.

http://video.google.com/videop...


See Bush was right (4.00 / 3)
They hate us for our freedom.

Of course that's probably not what he had in mind.


Well Jerry Fallwell And Pat Robertson Understood (0.00 / 0)
It was abortion and teh gay!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

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For me, the tone of this piece is perfect for an increasingly meloncholic holiday. (4.00 / 8)
There's a (not very good) band playing in the park across the street, getting ready for the fireworks later... and they are playing the Ramones' Blitzkrieg Bop.  How fitting is that? I may just have to put my speakers up to the window and blast some Bad Brains, I Against I and some DK. How about Soup Is Good Food?

Anyway, I don't really have much to add, but since you brought up DeLong's piece, I thought I'd also toss in Jamie Galbraith's latest, which is his testimony to the Cat Food Commission itself. He's throwing down the gauntlet here:

...
Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy. In this respect, there are four major issues.

First, most of your meetings are secret, apart from two open sessions before this one, which were plainly for show. There is no justification for secret meetings on deficit reduction. No secrets of any kind are involved. Nothing you say will affect financial markets. Congress long ago - in 1975 - reformed its procedures to hold far more sensitive and complicated meetings, notably legislative markups, in the broad light of day.

Secrecy breeds suspicion: first, that your discussions are at a level of discourse so low that you feel it would be embarrassing to disclose them.

Second, that some members of the commission are proceeding from fixed, predetermined agendas. Third, that the purpose of the secrecy is to defer public discussion of cuts in Social Security and Medicare until after the 2010 elections. You could easily dispel these suspicions by publishing video transcripts of all of your meetings on the Internet, and by holding all future meetings in public. Please do so.

Second, there is a question of leadership. A bipartisan commission should approach its task in a judicious, open-minded and dispassionate way. For this, the attitude and temperament of the leadership are critical.

I first met Senator Simpson when we were both on Capitol Hill; at Harvard he became friends with my late parents. He is admirably frank in his views. But Senator Simpson has plainly shown that he lacks the temperament to do a fair and impartial job on this commission. This is very clear from the abusive response he made recently to Alex Lawson of Social Security Works, who was asking important questions about the substance of the commission's work, as well as calling attention to the illegitimate secrecy under which you are operating.

A general cannot speak of the President with contempt. Likewise the leader of a commission intended to sway the public cannot display contempt for the public. With due respect, Senator Simpson's conduct fails that test.

Third, most members of the Commission are political leaders, not economists. With all respect for Alice Rivlin, with just one economist on board you are denied access to the professional arguments surrounding this highly controversial issue. In general, it is impossible to have a fair discussion of any important question when the professional participants in that discussion have been picked, in advance, to represent a single point of view.

Conflicts of interest constitute the fourth major problem. The fact that the Commission has accepted support from Peter G. Peterson, a man who has for decades conducted a relentless campaign to cut Social Security and Medicare, raises the most serious questions. Quite apart from the merits of Mr. Peterson's arguments, this act must be condemned. A Commission serving public purpose cannot accept funds or other help from a private party with a strong interest in the outcome of that Commission's work. Your having done so is a disgrace.

In my view you also should not have accepted help from the Economic Policy Institute, even though EPI's positions on the merits are substantially closer to mine.

(there's so very much more)

http://www.chaostheorien.de/ar...

So happy-melancholic 4th!

"Find out just what people will submit to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them; .... The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress. " -- Frederick Douglass


not only do they oppose self-governance (4.00 / 8)
they spend a lot of effort on making sure people are too ignorant and distracted to govern themselves.

Someone working two jobs just to make ends meet, who has to be in debt up to his eyeballs just to have the necessities of life, whose education has been botched by the religious fanatics and free-market idiots that infest our school systems (both public and private), who only has access to FOX News for information, is not going to be able to make rational decisions about next week, let alone the fate of the nation.

Many of these conditions were imposed by conservative elites for the express purpose of making it harder for them to participate in self-governance.

Then after all this effort to sabotage democracy and reduce people to serfdom, they pretend they were innocent bystanders, sit back with a smirk and say "See, we were right! Democracy doesn't work! (Because we spent ungodly amounts of money and time making it not work, but I'm not going to tell you silly liberals that)!"
 


this is the very problem (0.00 / 0)
as to why progresseives never get what they want...because they believe that every working middle-class or even low-income person in America has to be a liberal progressive and everyone above that must be a conservative.  never mind the fact that at any given time Americans see themselves as conservatives between 45% & 55% of the time.  nearly half the country is conservative.  that means low income, middle class, upper middle class, and upper class.  Elections will be won or lost on the actions of the politicians in office at that time. The majority of the country didn't vote for Obama as much as they voted against Bush and his policies.  Americans vote when they are angry and they vote more agaist the establishment than they do for a new establishment.  The elections in November will be about getting rid of the establishment thats not getting it done.  Its not about voting in Republicans because they will do a better job.  

What People Call Themselves Has NOTHING To Do With Historical Reality (4.00 / 2)
Glenn fucking Beck thinks he's Martin Luther King.

So fucking what?


"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Just echoing Paul here (4.00 / 2)
They say they're conservative (which is understandable since they've been bombarded by propaganda for the past 30+ years that conservatism represents everything just and good) while overwhelmingly supporting liberal/progressive policies.

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if they were overwhelmingly (0.00 / 0)
supporting liberal/progressive policies as you so surely state, we would never have to worry about another republican ever getting elected again....but of course you and I both know thats not true.

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Actually (4.00 / 4)
conservatives do support a lot of liberal policies, which is why their leaders have to feed them full of lies about liberals on such a constant basis.

I've posted diaries about conservative support for the welfare state on numerous occasions, for example.  The GOP's contortions over Social Security and Medicare since Obama was elected has been nothing short of circus-worthy.  The public option was far more popular than all the corporate/centrist crap that Obama & Co loaded up the health care bill with.  The list goes on and on...

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


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Conservatives hate America but they love the flag, (4.00 / 1)
in fact they own it.

All of the things we are supposed to be celebrating today, i.e., liberty, freedom, and democracy have been converted into vacant symbols that are used to attack the very same foundations of America.  Clever that.  Why can't the Left take back democracy and liberty and own them once again?






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