Just how bad is Obama's "progressive" "middle-class" tax cut?

by: Paul Rosenberg

Thu Sep 09, 2010 at 15:00


True to form, it's much better than the crazy GOP alternative, of course.  But that's obvious--and hardly an illuminating standard.

In Quick Hits, Gray picked up on the following chart:

It's from a mid-August report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities "High-Income People Would Benefit Significantly From Extension of 'Middle-Class' Tax Cuts", by Chuck Marr and Gillian Brunet.  Along with a segment on Democracy Now! this morning with David Cay Johnston, it sheds significant light on just how deeply conservative the entire discussion of taxes specifically and the economy generally remains.  In turn, this is but another indication of just how far Obama is from having brought about any significant movement toward a progressive reframing of issues.  (On another topic, last night, Megan McCain criticized his similar failure to lead on gay issues on the Rachel Maddow Show--not just gay marriage, but even DADT. And Democracy Now! also had a segment on his doubling down in support of protecting Bush-era torturers & the exapansion of the "state secrets" doctrine, so there's an unmistakable pattern here.)

As the CBPP report explains:

A fact generally overlooked in the debate over whether Congress should extend the high-income Bush tax cuts - i.e. those targeted exclusively at couples making over $250,000 and single individuals making over $200,000 - is that these households will still receive substantial tax cuts if Congress extends the so-called "middle-class" Bush tax cuts while letting the high-income tax cuts expire as scheduled.

This is because the 2001 tax law's reductions in the lower tax brackets benefit not only people whose incomes fall within the lower brackets but also those whose incomes exceed those brackets. In fact, high-income people actually receive much larger benefits in dollar terms from the so-called "middle-class tax cuts" than middle-class people do.[1]

Specifically, recent estimates from the Joint Committee on Taxation show that extending just the middle-class tax cuts would provide more than $6,300 in tax cuts to households with incomes above $200,000, on average, compared to $1,132 in tax cuts for households with incomes between $50,000 and $75,000. The Joint Tax Committee estimates show:

  • Households with incomes exceeding $1 million will receive an average tax cut of $6,349 in 2011 if the middle-class tax cuts are extended while the high-income tax cuts are allowed to expire. (They will receive an average tax cut of nearly $104,000 if the high-income tax cuts are extended as well.)
  • The story is similar, if not quite as dramatic, for households that make between $500,000 and $1 million. They will receive an average tax cut of $6,701 if the middle-class tax cuts are excluded (and of $17,467 if the high-income tax cuts are also extended).
  • For all other income categories, by contrast, the size of the tax cuts are about the same whether the high-income tax cuts are extended or not. Even for households with incomes between $200,000 and $500,000, the effects are similar. The Joint Tax Committee figures show that they would receive an average tax cut of $6,743 if only the middle-class tax cuts are extended, and of $7,152 if the high-income tax cuts are extended, as well.

But it gets significantly worse:

The middle-class tax-cut package the Joint Tax Committee analyzed does not extend the reduction in the tax rate on dividends for couples with incomes over $250,000 (and singles over $200,000). President Obama has proposed, however, that the dividend top rate for high-income people be permanently set at 20 percent, rather than being allowed to return to its pre-2001 level of 39.6 percent. If Congress follows that approach and incorporates this proposal into a middle-class tax-cut package, the average tax cut that high-income households will receive from enactment of such a package will be considerably larger than the figures just cited, and the dollar amount by which the average tax cut going to high-income households exceeds the average tax cut for middle-income households will be significantly larger, as well.

Now let's turn to Democracy Now! and see how David Cay Johnston frames things very differently than you'll normally hear it framed.  Johnson, by the way, considers himself a libertarian,  but in the old-school sense of not cottoning much to state-created & supported private fortunes.  Here's how the interview starts:

Paul Rosenberg :: Just how bad is Obama's "progressive" "middle-class" tax cut?
AMY GOODMAN:  .... David, welcome to Democracy Now! Lay out what this issue is. What are the tax cuts? Who do they benefit? And what about the fact that the top budget adviser to President Obama, his former adviser, Orszag, is saying stick with the Bush tax cuts?

DAVID CAY JOHNSTON: Well, when President Bush came into office, he had a tax cut proposal. It was the key thing in his campaign. He did not, however, pass it through normal legislative means. They did it through something called reconciliation. You'll recall that's how healthcare was passed earlier this year. And that meant there was a ten-year limit on these tax cuts. The Republicans at one point during the last decade controlled the House, the Senate and the White House, but they did not make these tax cuts permanent. And the issue now is that the Republicans' position, at least so far, has been that they will not support anything the President is proposing, which means everyone's taxes would go back up January 1st. That is, the Republicans' position, if it stands, is higher taxes for everyone. The President's position is higher taxes only for only those people in the top two or three percent.

Not being discussed in all of this are two crucial issues. One of them is how much those tax cuts cost us. Basically, all the income taxes that everyone in America paid in January and February of this year only went to cover interest on the money borrowed for the Bush tax cuts over the last decade. Just interest on those tax cuts.

The second issue not being discussed is that this top tax rate, the two that President Obama wants to have go back to the Clinton-era level, they cut in at a quarter-million dollars and about $400,000 of taxable income. In fact, we have a large number of people in this country now who are making multimillion-dollar annual incomes, and we're not talking about a higher tax rate on them. We're starting actually at a very low level. And the very highest-paid workers in the history of the world, hedge fund managers, at least twenty-five of whom made a billion dollars last year, pay a current tax rate of zero. The news media keeps saying 15 percent. They pay the 15 percent, when they cash out, which could be decades from now. None of that is on the table.

So let's review a few of the salient points Johnston has made:

    (1) Bush started it all, but even with a GOP majority in Congress never pushed for what the GOP is demanding now.

    (2) The GOP position now is tax hikes for everyone on January 1! unless the rich get a massive tax cut all their own.

    (3) The Bush tax cuts have been so costly that all the income taxes paid in January and February just go to cover the interest on the debt caused by those tax cuts.

    (4) Not even talked about are very high-income people whose income isn't treated like normal income. Specifically hedge fund managers making over a billion dollars with an effective tax rate of zero.

Now, imagine if we had Democratic spokespeople on every network using those talking points?

Sure, we'd have to have a different Democratic Party for that to happen.  And that's precisely what we should be out there fighting for.


p.s.  Yes, it's true that Obama campaigned on maintainting these tax cuts.  But he also campaigned on the public option, and on reversing Bush-era torture policies (more on that later today).  So just saying that he campaigned on something doesn't carry a whole lot of weight.


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What was campaigned on, absolute numbers (0.00 / 0)
Even when I'm was defending Obama more, I never got the concept that you couldn't criticize something he campaigned on.  Of course you can!  You might want to word your criticism a bit differently, but policy you are against is policy you are against.

As far as the chart goes, one needs to be a little careful about comparing absolute numbers.  Even if you eliminated payroll taxes, the rich would come out ahead (or at least tied).

For example, two rough calculations from the graph gives:
Someone earning $25,000 gets a 3% savings.
Someone earning $350,000 gets a 2% savings.

On the other hand, while I'm not sure I understand what the dividend rate is about, but it certainly sounds stupid and misguided.


The dividend rate is Capital Gains. (4.00 / 3)
If you sell some stock and make a profit, you pay 15% tax on the profit. The wealthiest Americans are largely taxed at that rate, since most if not all their income is the result of Capital Gains--this also applies to stock dividends taken when not reinvested, as that accounts for almost all their income. So when you cash out, you have to pay that. But only when you sell assets and not before that.

Add in all the various write-offs and most of these people pay no taxes at all--this is accentuated when you consider that a lot of these profits are now generated "off-shore" and as such aren't taxed as well. The rest of us are effectively subsidizing their grandiose lifestyles.

Of course, since Obama is a card carrying member of this class of people, he's only looking after his own self-interest, isn't he? When he leaves office, he too will be "taxed" the same way the hedgies are. Bully for him!

"Nobody is actually starving. The hobos, for example, are better fed than they have ever been. Hobos are eating well, in fact one had ten meals in a single day." -- Pres. Herbert Hoover, 1932


[ Parent ]
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It seems paul has a mental deficiency in understanding the concepts of marginal tax rates, tax brackets, and basic arithmetic. If you take the percentages of money back as compared to income, you'll notice that the 10,000 - 200,000 get the biggest savings. People making under 10k will obviously not get a huge dollar benefit because they never paid much into the "middle class" tax bracket anyways. You can't give back what you never paid in terms of taxes. People at the high end also don't get as big a benefit because an ever decreasing percentage of their income falls in the "middle class" bracket. So who benefits the most? People making 10k-200k which is loosely defined as the middle class because they pay the most, as a percentage of income, into that bracket.

If you are really interested in screwing people making 10k-200k, then fine, nobody that matters really cares or agrees with what you think anyways.


[ Parent ]
"You can't give back what you never paid in terms of taxes." (4.00 / 4)
Oh, yes, you can! It's called a subsidy. Not unusual at all.

And, btw, you don't pay with percentages at Walmart, you pay with cold hard bucks. And the 200-50k incomes will get more of them "back" than those who have less.

Btw, "nobody that matters really cares or agrees with what you think anyways"? Here at OpenLeft, that's what can be said about YOU, not about Paul. Why don't you comment at Redstate or some other right wing blog instead?


[ Parent ]
Thems Just For Oil Companies And Such (4.00 / 1)
Not for protoplasmic types.

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3

[ Parent ]
Zugzugzug's Mental Deficiency (4.00 / 3)
is such that he can't even tell when I'm quoting someone else and when I'm not.

Course, what do you expect from somoene who can't even think of a subject line???

Amusing as always, Mr. Z!

"You know what they say -- those of us who fail history... doomed to repeat it in summer school." -- Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Season 6, Episode 3


[ Parent ]
Thx for adding more background to this, Paul! (4.00 / 1)
I was too lazy to do this, sadly, but anyway, I'm not as efficient at this as you. The context you add here shows very muc Bush-like the Obama proposals still are, especially the idiotic tax rebate for rich couples! No fairness in this compromise, it's a pure giveaway to those who don't need it at all. Mayne unecessary to say, but this is not helpful as a Dem campaign talking point now, of course.

And if only the public would become aware of the very possible consequences of the rethuglican obstructionism! Tax hikes for EVERYBODY, really. Damn, this should tell every voter that the GOP simply doesn't care about the average Joe. If their rich buddies don't get their special deal, they deon't mind of each and every tax payer have to suffer for this. That's the audacity of greed, really!


How It's Going To Go Down: (4.00 / 5)
This all has a weary predictability to it.

Step 1: Republicans say: "Unless ALL the Bush tax cuts are reinstated it will be the biggest tax hike in the history of the country!"

Step 2: Terrified Dems just off a colossal beating in Nov. join the Republican chorus in calling for bigger tax cuts for the rich "to stimulate the economy."

Step 3: Obama proposes reducing high-end wage tax rates to 20%. Obama tries to gain support for his idea in Congress in exchange for letting the Bush tax cuts expire for all but those earning less than $250,000, but Republicans rudely rebuff him amid media howls of protest that Obama "wants the biggest tax increase in American history!"

Step 4: Democrats add proposal to lower top marginal rates to 20% to Republican bill to make the Bush tax cuts permanent AND lowering top end wage rates to 20% in exchange for. . . I'm not really sure what they get in return other than to say "Me Too!"

Step 5: Congress passes this bill as amended.

Step 6: Obama caves in to total defeat and signs it saying that "at least it preserves the middle-class tax cuts for persons making less than $200,000.


Nostradamus II (0.00 / 0)
Seriously, you just mapped out the November-February legislative calendar.

"No, his mind is not for rent to any god or government" - Neil Peart

[ Parent ]
You Forget Step 7 ... (4.00 / 1)
Step 7: Gross income inequality continues, unemployment increases, economy collapses due to not enough consumer demand and another round of Wall Street gambling gone bad, the unemployed and/or disaffected riot, all hell breaks loose.

Really, this is a zero sum game. Either we as a society fix these problems in ways that match what works historically (never mind what's fair, as nice as that would be) OR we go down. The current system is 100% unsustainable over time. At some point, you will see riots, you will see worse. Some large enough amount of people will believe they have no political or legal recourse and, therefore, anything goes.

You reap what you sow. Sadly, I don't think it'll much affect the wealthiest unless they're somehow caught in the firing line. And kudos to Johnston for speaking truth to power.


[ Parent ]
Wow, I'm glad this is finally getting around. (4.00 / 3)
I stumbled across this a week or two ago.  Why isn't a bigger deal being made of the cap gains tax.  It's criminal.

A 20% capital gains/dividend tax rate? Come on. (4.00 / 7)
A 20% capital gains/dividend tax rate is just another gift to the wealthiest Americans.

A study of wealth distribution by Edward Wolff, Economics professor at NYU, around 2000 (sorry no link) showed that 85% of the stock market was owned by the top 10% of families (not certain how that metric redistributes in terms of individuals).

Obviously, a large percentage of the income of the wealthiest Americans is from stock market assets and the capital gains and dividends they accrue. Taxing that income at a reduced rate of 20% is just another gift, a demi-Bush tax break to the wealthy. Sorry, but that's my opinion.


The clip of Obama from Democracy Now (4.00 / 1)
is just sad.  He's using the same bad neo-liberal argument for not extending the top tax cuts that failed in the effort to prevent the estate tax repeal.  There is simply no moral argument there at all. It's all interests versus interests.

Political malpractice. Get these people a copy of Don't Think of an Elephant.  Seriously.

Politics is the art of the possible, but that means you have to think about changing what is possible, not that you have to accept it in perpetuity.


You realize that if we can get the corporatists (4.00 / 1)
to go back to the republicans it will probably moderate the republicans.  

That didn't work out here in Germany so well. (0.00 / 0)
Turned out that the corporatists didn't care at all about which ideology a party supports, not even when its dangerously extreme, and only were concerned about the possible profits from their connection to the government. In short: Corporate whores ain't got no conscience!

[ Parent ]
at least we will have one liberal party (0.00 / 0)
that I can vote for.  They both make me want to throw up now.  Going right wing slowly vs quickly.  I choose quickly.  like rippin off a bandaid.  

[ Parent ]
The Fog of Obama covers all embarrassments (0.00 / 0)
As he showed with health care reform, Obama is a master of obfuscation and bewilderment.

And, as with health care, all he wants to do is to chalk another one up in the win column, in preparation for 2012.

Tax is, of course, pretty much incomprehensible to the layman, even listening to the most good-faith and effective communicator. So Obama and the other DC denizens who count (some MCs, more lobbyists) can put together a deal without needing to worry about adverse reaction from the voters (oh, them...) in November.

This MO is now pretty much Government 101.

Ain't democracy grand?


thanks for the diary Paul (0.00 / 0)
the dividend rate/capital gains cut is downright criminal...





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